July 8, 2008 5:38 pm at 5:38 pm #587893boruch hashemParticipant
We all know how many accidents happen daily from people not paying full attention while driving.
Unfortunately we are quick to forget that driving is a privalige and not something to abuse.
Besides being illegal i find it an embaracement and a major c”h how many frum people are busy talking on the phone(while often with a mini-van filled with children!!) while driving.
I drive down one block and 4 out of the 5 cars are people shmoozing on their phones and are all yiden!!
Rabosai! what ever happened to “Venishmartem meod es nafshoseichem’??!
If it is so important to make a phone call one could buy a bluetooth (for very inexpensive)and could save a lot of agmas nefesh and unnecesary c”h!!
Please think twice before making that phonecall of how you could possibly save a life!!
Wishing you all a happy and SAFE summer!!July 8, 2008 8:04 pm at 8:04 pm #642424jphoneMember
Granted this is a forum where frum people typically are the readers and writers, nevertheless, it isn’t fair to paint this as a “frum” problem. The overall percentage of the general population that flaunts the “hands free driving laws” is no better than the “frum”.
It should be pointed out that hands free driving laws targeted talking on phones and texting on these same devices, but eating lunch while driving is just as distracting. So is, doing your nails, fixing your make up, shaving, making a tie, programming your GPS while going 70 on the highway (the list is endless). Bottom line. A car is a dangerous weapon if improperly used. If you dont care about “vinishmartem” for yourself, at least care about everyone else.July 9, 2008 12:11 am at 12:11 am #642425williMember
unfortunately there will always be oiber chachomim that think “to me nothing will ever happen” & go right ahead putting themselves & others in danger.July 9, 2008 6:47 am at 6:47 am #642426yoshiMember
I see this happening all the time. There is no excuse to be talking & driving at the same time. You know the law, or at this point you SHOULD know it. It clearly states in the drivers manual that as a driver it is your responsibility to know the rules of the road.
As for being distracted, I have to say that the worst incident i have witnessed was on a major highway, suddenly we started hearing honking, people were slamming of their brakes swerving. we didn’t know what was happening till we were behind a car going 30-35 miles TOPS, (in a 65 mph zone) he was swerving all over from lane to lane, As we passed him we saw that he had a huge newspaper on his steering wheel and he was reading it while driving! We called the cops, and they told us that they have been getting tons of calls about this driver, and they were sending a car out to look for him. How Crazy is that??July 9, 2008 1:27 pm at 1:27 pm #642427feivelParticipant
if you get a bluetooth
PLEASE put it away when you enter the Bais Medresh
ive seen people davening with it in place
ive seen people learning with it in placeJuly 9, 2008 7:48 pm at 7:48 pm #642428HaQerMember
People learning with bluetooth could mean that they are learning with a phone chavrusaJuly 9, 2008 8:14 pm at 8:14 pm #642429mdlevineMember
feivel – I’ve seen people talking on it (or just the cell phone without the bluetooth) WHILE davening (one person took the call from the amud, and said “I can’t talk now I am in the middle of davening” — let the call go to v-mail or use the missed call feature and call back when you are available.
(OK a disclaimer: this excludes emergency response people, and perhaps men who have an expecting wife at home and the due date is NOW and other such scenerios)July 9, 2008 10:20 pm at 10:20 pm #642430Bentzy18Participant
While this is going a little of topic (at least the driving aspect) I think that we should point out how much of a yetzer horah the cell phone has become. Yes driving is very problamatic area but it just seems the we can’t go anywhere anymore without being connected. Instead of spending the time with their kids while waiting for the bus, parents are often on the phone yapping away. Short drives in the car yep, they are on the phone again. Why must be we so connected that we can’t go down the block without schmoozing with someone?
So for saftey sake, for the sake of our children, put away the phone a little bit and join the world we live in.July 23, 2008 4:05 am at 4:05 am #642431favishMember
to benyzy18….dont see how this is “maseh yatzer.”.July 23, 2008 1:40 pm at 1:40 pm #642432tzippiMember
Haqer, that may be but talking to someone out of the car is much more, even on a handless, is much more distracting than talking to someone in the car.July 23, 2008 6:21 pm at 6:21 pm #642433reenmasheenMember
we have to be dan lkaf zchus maybe the yid who is driving while talking on his cell phone is actually getting directions to the place he has to go aye youre gonna say geta blue tooth but lemaaseh now he doesnt have one so he has to do this putting on speaker is always no good because you can never really hear what theyre saying and you have to talk at exactly the right volume for them in order to hear you
bottom line of course these people know that driving with cell phones is dangerous and illegal but they must have a logical reason why theyre doing it obviosly theyre not intersested in getting themselves and the passegers of their car killedJuly 23, 2008 8:06 pm at 8:06 pm #642434mdlevineMember
“they must have a logical reason why theyre doing it obviosly theyre not intersested in getting themselves and the passegers of their car killed”
they may think that they have a logical reason, however, you can apply this to those that ride down the wrong side of the street to turn left before the light changes, those that pass on double yellow lines, oh the list goes on and on and on and…
one problem here is that logic is not dictating their behavior. feelings and emotions are. I feel that I can drive _______ (fill in the blank), others are not capable, but I can.
Another issue is the feeling of self importance. the disease that causes people to thank it is so vital for them to get where they need to go that rules that apply to everyone else do not apply to them. If other’s lives were as important as their life, ok, but other people’s lives are not as important so…
now, as I put my bluetooth on to go to the store, I ask myself, how did I survive driving from 1978 through 2004 before I got a cell phome.July 24, 2008 6:36 am at 6:36 am #642435jphoneMember
To those who insist on driving while distracted, and it includes lot more than talking on a phone. Eating, shaving, reading a paper, horsing around (the list is endless) I can only say “shomer pisayim hashem”, hashem should also watch over everyone these thoughtless people put in harms way with their dangerous actions.December 17, 2008 11:09 pm at 11:09 pm #642436HaQerMember
tzippi, I wasn’t responding to the problem of driving, I was being dan lechaf zechus about people in the Bais Medrah with Bluetooth. I have friends in Yeshiva who learn over the phone using bluetooth with people from across the country (parents, Partners in Torah, etc).
Side point: In the car is a good time to talk on the phone since you have “time to waste” anyway unless you would be listening to a shiur or doing other productive things otherwise. If there are calls that you need to make then why not do it in the car when you have the time instead of during work or at home when there are better things to be doing. Of course it should be done in a safe way; use handsfree, only dial while stopped, etc. And you certainly shouldn’t be texting while driving as this takes more concentration because you actually have to look at the phone to see what you are doing. Talking while driving could also prevent the driver from falling asleep late at night.December 18, 2008 12:01 am at 12:01 am #642437
Someone who comes into Davenning with a bluetooth has zero excuses. Even if he’s on Hatzoloh or waiting for a call from his wife, he can put his phone on vibrate in his shirt pocket. It’s extremely disrespectful to the Beis Hamedrash and should be banned.December 18, 2008 12:15 am at 12:15 am #642438
i go crazy from people driving and talking…i will always let the person go ahead of me if there talking bec they cant be concentrating 100% on the road while talking to their long lost friend(bad pun-not intended) and i hate bluetooths i think there obnoxious -but thats for a diff threadDecember 18, 2008 2:09 am at 2:09 am #642439Esther1Member
How about texting while driving?December 18, 2008 2:37 am at 2:37 am #642440xeroxMember
(not saying that i do or don’t text while driving,) it’s EVEN WORSE!!December 18, 2008 3:24 am at 3:24 am #642441
texting is 1000% worse—hey i just got a gps w/ bluetooth-its really cool when s/o calls—u just glance over at the gps and huge on the screen it says who calling and u can hit answer or decline on the gps—no looking at the phone-its really goodDecember 18, 2008 3:28 am at 3:28 am #642442Esther1Member
My niece was texting her chassan while driving…. baruch hashem she was not hurt. After seeing the pictures of her car, I know it’s a miracle that she survived.December 18, 2008 10:03 am at 10:03 am #642443Mrs. BeautifulMember
Police are quite strict about talking and driving. My father got pulled over for talking on his cell phone while driving, and he doesnt even own a cell phone!!
He told the cop, “Search my car, u will see I dont own a phone.” The cop said he is not warrented to search, but he saw and he wrote out a ticket!December 18, 2008 2:02 pm at 2:02 pm #642444
Texting is so dangerous! I learnt my lesson from that when I got into 2 accidents durting the 9 days because of it. Now I really try not to text or talk while driving! Guess ya only learn from experience unfortunatelyDecember 18, 2008 3:01 pm at 3:01 pm #642445amichaiParticipant
why doesn’t hatzolah in ny. come out and speak to families about the danger of driving and speaking. along with fastening seat belts!December 18, 2008 3:02 pm at 3:02 pm #642446
“Guess ya only learn from experience unfortunately “
No! That is this generations mistake…everyone thinks I’m safe nothing can happen to me. Just look on the news how many fatal car accidents there are out there. It’s tragic…you gotta be careful. Sense should tell you not to.
I’ve got bluetooth built into my car B”H so I don’t have the Nisayon of talking. But even before that, it says Mefurash in the Posuk Veshmartem me’od Nafshoseichem…you gotta take care of the life Hashem gave you.December 18, 2008 9:01 pm at 9:01 pm #642447brooklyn19Participant
don’t have – GPS is not the safest item while you’re driving either.December 18, 2008 9:08 pm at 9:08 pm #642448AnonymousInactive
how about eating and driving is that dangerousDecember 18, 2008 9:13 pm at 9:13 pm #642449brooklyn19Participant
use your common sense. if it’s a piece of gum, probably not. if you’re gonna eat sushi with chopsticks while driving, you might face some trouble doing one or the other.December 18, 2008 9:35 pm at 9:35 pm #642450
lol brooklyn, eat sushi wit ur hands like me!December 18, 2008 9:42 pm at 9:42 pm #642451AnonymousInactive
how about pizzaDecember 19, 2008 12:11 am at 12:11 am #642452oomisParticipant
Anyone who delinerately does ANYTHING that takes his or her attention off driving safely, deserves to lose the privilege (not a right) of driving, in my opinion. I have absolutely no rachmonus for such a person. And if you cannot drive properly when listening to a shiur, THAT should not be done, either. A car is a couple of tons of lethal weapon, and we tend to forget that.December 19, 2008 12:14 am at 12:14 am #642453
i know i know nothing is safe to do while driving….i once got into an accident bec…..if i tell u why e/o will know who i am……basically i learned drive while doing nothing else is the only way to goDecember 19, 2008 4:28 am at 4:28 am #642454
For the same price, music can also be very distracting- specially for me- I LUV MUZIC…January 15, 2009 7:32 pm at 7:32 pm #642455rachelliMember
driving with a cell phone is really dangerous i talk while driving but its a bad habit im trying to stopJanuary 15, 2009 7:49 pm at 7:49 pm #642456
noitallmr, playing around wit the music is soooo dangerous!!! I was speeding while changing the music n wtvr don’t ask. unless you have the controls on the steering wheel.
Btw welcome rachelli!!January 15, 2009 8:09 pm at 8:09 pm #642457blahblahParticipant
me tooJanuary 16, 2009 12:53 am at 12:53 am #642458JosephParticipant
rachelli, did you previously come here (about 2 months ago) as GILA?April 19, 2009 9:07 am at 9:07 am #642460moish01Member
hey joseph, did you bring this up for me? jk- but i can almost legally drive alone 😉April 19, 2009 12:17 pm at 12:17 pm #642461aussieboyParticipant
Joseph: Because its the 21st century and this is how the world works now. They had their own problems then.
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