September 21, 2009 10:59 pm at 10:59 pm #590467
Any tips on how to stay in shul the whole Yom Kippur? I find it very hard after a couple of hours to keep my attention span while davening- and it has nothing to do with the fact that I’m fasting.September 22, 2009 7:46 am at 7:46 am #974549
You have to have a baal tefilah that has a good voice like by us… I guess I’m a little biased on that.September 22, 2009 1:18 pm at 1:18 pm #974550
The Baal Tefillah is not the problem.September 22, 2009 6:13 pm at 6:13 pm #974551
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If you are really thrown inside your davening, and shuckling hard etc. it makes it pass fatser (and more meaningful), and then if you space out for a couple of minutes here and there, it’s not so bad. “Echad Hamemaet vechad hamarbeh, ubilvad sheyechaven es libo leshomayim” (I hope I quoted that right:)September 22, 2009 6:15 pm at 6:15 pm #974552
You should think to yourself five more minutes and then you’ll realize you can handle five minutes and then another and another and anotherSeptember 22, 2009 6:16 pm at 6:16 pm #974553
The Baal T’filla makes the difference… if there’s a geshmake davening – the time flies!!September 22, 2009 6:24 pm at 6:24 pm #974554
when you start to feel empty of emotion:
pretend to cry over your chatayim
become an actor
you dont have to fool those around you but fool yourself
just act it out
pretend someone is watching you who cant see inside you, only your outside
try to fool this person
try to make it as real as you can
see what happens
youll be surprisedSeptember 22, 2009 7:47 pm at 7:47 pm #974556
Try to get inspiration from the people around you- real emotion, real kavonah, real tears.
Listen- you’ve got real aveiros… (we all do)September 23, 2009 12:59 pm at 12:59 pm #974557
Great suggestion.September 23, 2009 2:05 pm at 2:05 pm #974558
In my case I’m just normally totally lost. My Hebrew is just not up to following the davening. On a regular Shabbat I can more or less keep up due to knowing the text reasonably well, but on YK and RH there is no way I can do it.September 23, 2009 5:27 pm at 5:27 pm #974559
Well put it in your heart, feel it, live it, understand it, be scare of Yom Hadin, and believe me you wont fall to sleep. It is not a joke the biggest day of the year.September 23, 2009 8:03 pm at 8:03 pm #974560
ZachKessin- with an English machzor, try learning the meaning of the t’fillos (if not every word, at least the concept of each) a few weeks before… even now, it’s not too late to start with a few main t’fillos.
Go through the ‘ahl chet’s and some other main t’fillos that are repeated throughout.
If possible, take an English machzor to shul- you can use it as reference here and there.
This is the biggest opportunity we’ve got- make some time to understand what we’re davening for.
Much Hatzlocha!September 23, 2009 8:07 pm at 8:07 pm #974561
Yes, an English Machzor helps. I just got a linear one which is great. I also picture myself in a courtroom.September 23, 2009 8:42 pm at 8:42 pm #974562
Thanks, everyone! Most of the suggestions should prove IY”H to be very helpful!September 23, 2009 11:42 pm at 11:42 pm #974563
Not to deny the angst of the Yom Hadin, YK is also the Yom Matan Torah Shebaal Peh, and no less a joyous day than Shavuos! If neither of these mindsets works for you, sit in the back and learn Mishnayos or Maseches Yuma quietly. Kesiva vaHasima Tova,— and Chag Sameach,September 24, 2009 12:43 am at 12:43 am #974564
A chassidic tale comes to mind: An am ho’oretz wanders into a shtibbel on erev YK as people are preparing for Kol Nidre. He picks up a siddur and looks in, but he is bewildered by the many pages and strange letters. All around him are covered in tallesim, humming, wimpering, so he goes up to the front where the Rebbe is sitting facing the people. He asks: “Rebbe, where are we holding? The Rebbe looks up, and in tears says: Me? I am holding by last Chanuka!”
If you can, try rereading the slichot, and if you can find them in an old mahzor, the Slichot for Yom Kippur. I came into possesion of a stand alone volume of slichot YK from Zhitomir about 130 years old, with pages dimpled I think by tears. You can also find them in old mahzorim from the twenties often British, but the english translations are not true to text, or as regesh provoking. Hatzlacha in AvodaSeptember 24, 2009 1:57 am at 1:57 am #974565
Leave your watch/clock at home. It works!September 24, 2009 2:40 am at 2:40 am #974566
amok- I would learn Mishnayos/Gemara, but I can’t, being that I’m female. But thanks for the suggestion, nevertheless.
abx- thanks, i’m sure it would help, but the clock is on the wall directly in front of my seat! 😉 oh, well.September 24, 2009 3:03 am at 3:03 am #974567
I like to pray at a minyan where the chazan prays very fast. That way they keep you on your toes and you don’t start getting distracted.September 24, 2009 4:09 am at 4:09 am #974568
mybat- I hear what you’re saying, but then I get so lost and confused that it’s not worth it. Either way, I daven with my family so I don’t have much of a choice there.September 24, 2009 4:14 am at 4:14 am #974569
Just be positive! Enjoy praying!September 24, 2009 6:04 am at 6:04 am #974570
I use a Hebrew/English Machzor (Props to Artscroll for excellent work here) but I still get lost. Maybe I will see if my Rabbi has some time to sit down with me Shabbat afternoon to go over some of it with me. OK we won’t get all of the teffilah done, but if we can at least catch a few bits It may go a long way to helping me feel less lost.
Email sent to my Rabbi, hopefully we can do this 🙂
–ZachSeptember 25, 2009 9:28 am at 9:28 am #974571
perfect line–May we pour our hearts out to Hashem on Yom Kippur with purity and deep sincerity!September 25, 2009 1:47 pm at 1:47 pm #974572
Reading Tefillah Zaka gets me in the right frame of mind (my Hebrew comprehension is pretty good, but if you have an English Machzor, I’d say reading the English is more important than “saying the words”).
Some machzorim have stories on the bottom, “below the line” which I find interesting. I daven in a Gerrer Shtibel so we finish Mussaf around 2PM. Between 2 and the start of mincha (usually 5PM) I relieve my wife from watching the kids so she can daven and try to learn myself. In a way the Gerrer Chassidim are part of “Yeshivas Mordechai Hatzadik” of Yom Kippur because when they close their machzorim, many of them open up a sefer.
;September 26, 2009 5:57 pm at 5:57 pm #974573
FunnyBunny and others: A woman is required to daven only once a day and in no format or time restraint. Therefore to remain in shul throughout the tefilla is meritorious if you can make it worthwhile, but not required. One well invested heartfelt tefilla, and the viduiim is quite enough, and in the presence of a tzibbur, even more than enough. Also bear in mind that most of the concepts of tefilah we learn from Chana and the Haftara of Rosh Hashana. The rest of the time can be spent in whatever way you can enrich and beautify the Yom Tov. Ketiva vachatima tova.September 27, 2009 4:11 am at 4:11 am #974574
if u understand how serious yom kipor is u wouldn’t have a problem i’m not saying i have but we should for sure strive toSeptember 27, 2009 6:36 am at 6:36 am #974575
I spent an hour or so over Shabbat sitting with my Rabbi going over the YK teffilah, so I feel a bit more prepared for YK. He also told me that when I get lost I can pass my machzor over to him and he will be happy to find the page for me.
So I feel much much better.September 29, 2009 10:41 am at 10:41 am #974576
Just a follow up. Yom Kippor this year was much better than last year where I was very frustrated. This year I felt much better and I think it was much more meaningful.September 29, 2009 2:33 pm at 2:33 pm #974577
ZachKessin: that’s great to hear! were you also using an artscroll?!September 29, 2009 3:16 pm at 3:16 pm #974578
In the middle of the amidah somebody approches me and starts telling me, you have my chair and you have my machzor, well what a test, and guess what? I didnt have her chair or machzor. You see. This is just the way of the Yrzer Hara to interrupt kavanah.September 29, 2009 3:25 pm at 3:25 pm #974579
Your comments on this thread were very inspiring for me. Thank you.September 29, 2009 3:29 pm at 3:29 pm #974580
ZKessin- I’m glad everything worked out for you in the end, B”H.
To all who responded in this thread: THANK YOU!! Yom Kippur was B”H a beautiful day for me and I got through it only because of you guys! A gut yahr to everyone in the CR!October 1, 2009 7:40 am at 7:40 am #974581
Yes, I was using the Artscroll interlinear actually.
And now back to workOctober 1, 2009 1:18 pm at 1:18 pm #974582
Bemused: Just wondering if you noticed my post on top of Page 3 of the Kapporos: Chicken thread?October 1, 2009 1:57 pm at 1:57 pm #974583
artscroll machzor is a life saver its so helpful and the footnotes r very interestingOctober 1, 2009 4:44 pm at 4:44 pm #974584
My sons have the Artscroll interlinear machzor. I’ve always found it to be counter-intuitive in that you read the words themselves from left to right, but have to read the sentences from right to left (since they’re located beneath the Hebrew words).
I’ve been using the same Metsudah machzor for the last twenty plus years*. Yes, the instructions are not as clear as in Artscroll, but I’ve always found that format much easier to use than the Artscroll format.
* I spent RH/YK in Scranton davening in the yeshiva one year when I was about fifteen. On Yom Kippur, they distributed a sheet of paper listing which pyutim they’d be saying in each of the tefillos. Twenty some odd years later, that folded up paper is *still* in my machzor. I use it as a bookmark.September 13, 2013 9:55 am at 9:55 am #974585
Leave your watch/clock at home. It works!
This is similar to my well tried and tested method.
The more you watch the time, the slower time moves. But if you haven’t looked at a clock for a while then oh wow another 2 hours have passed.
My tip is to virtually not look at the clock the entire day BECAUSE THERE IS NO NEED TO!
My time schedule on yom kippur does not consist of hours and minutes but stages of davenning. I say to myself the time now is eg early part of shacharis or middle of musaf or towards the end of mincha etc. This way I find the day moves much quicker.
If this tip helps anyone else then it was worth the time to post it.
Wishing everyone a ??? ????? ???? and an easy fast!
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