March 6, 2016 10:12 pm at 10:12 pm #617362
The Sefer Yosheiv Ohel permits a driver to daven Mincha while driving (!), if he is in a rush erev Shabbos and if he pulls over to daven, he won’t be able to have kavana.
Discuss.March 6, 2016 10:28 pm at 10:28 pm #1142147☕ DaasYochid ☕Participant
When is this due?March 6, 2016 10:48 pm at 10:48 pm #1142148Mashiach AgentMember
if a person has no way to say it standing as in midst a flight with noone allowed to get up then he is allowed to stay it in sitting motionMarch 6, 2016 11:38 pm at 11:38 pm #1142150JosephParticipant
My shitta is one should make every effort to pull over in a safe location, exit the vehicle, and daven like a mentch with the proper kavava.March 7, 2016 12:13 am at 12:13 am #1142151anon1m0usParticipant
Nothing to discuss. Shocked it is even open for a discussion. Learn misechtos Brochos. Discusses davvening on a donkey, tree, etcMarch 7, 2016 3:18 am at 3:18 am #1142152feivelParticipant
It’s only permitted, as a big b dievid, to one who is “driving” in a car in the sense of being a passenger. Not the driver. Ever.March 7, 2016 5:58 pm at 5:58 pm #1142153catch yourselfParticipant
Anon, of course you must be aware that the Mishna says that it is prohibited to daven in a tree. This is because of the difficulty in having proper Kavana while in a precarious position.
Of course, even in those cases that the Mishna does allow one to daven while traveling, (while riding a donkey, wagon or raft), it prefers, as does Joseph, that if possible, one should dismount for davening (this will be somewhat difficult in the case of the raft…).
As feivel points out, it should be obvious that the driver is precluded from davening by his responsibility not to endanger his own life or that of others.March 9, 2016 4:27 pm at 4:27 pm #1142154
Even the driver. Look it up. I provided a source.
If he pulls over to daven, he will be rushed, as he is in a rush to make it to his destination before the commencement of Shabbos.March 9, 2016 7:22 pm at 7:22 pm #1142155HashemisreadingParticipant
And if he doesn’t pull over, I hope we can make the levaya before the commencement of Shabbos.March 10, 2016 4:14 am at 4:14 am #1142156catch yourselfParticipant
With all due respect, the Yoshev Ohel is not the Rambam. He certainly is entitled to his opinion, and I am curious as to why he would say this. Unfortunately, I do not have access to the Sefer as of now. In any case, Davening while driving means at least one of two things: 1) The Tefilla is without proper Kavanah, and/or 2) The driver is putting his own life, as well as that of everyone else on the road, in mortal danger.
It is hard to imagine that his Tefilla while driving will be of superior quality to his Tefilla while pulled off to the side of the road, but even if it were, I have a hard time believing that this would be allowed. I would think that if it is so close to Shabbos that he is worried about Melacha, he is better off davening Maariv twice.March 10, 2016 6:02 am at 6:02 am #1142157Avi KParticipant
There is a story about a Jew who was browsing in a store window when he felt a punch in his chest. When he did not see anyone he realized that he was at “Selach lanu”. The Gerrer Rebbe once welcomed someone back after the davening was over. He said to the puzzled man “You just returned from overseas”. He also said that Jews are better at business than gentiles because we have three times to think about it each day. Apparently the writer of this sefer has the same opinion of how most people daven.March 10, 2016 6:09 am at 6:09 am #1142158UtahMember
Wouldn’t davening just be distracting the driver? Isn’t that a prohibition of putting your life in a dangerous position.
@Mik5 who wrote this sefer? And why does he say only mincha? What makes Mincha greater then Shacharis or Mariv? Is this case specifically for erev shabbos/ yom tov where if he doesn’t daven while driving he will not make it to his destination before shabbos/ Yom Tov begins thus causing him to break the shabbos/ yom tov? Or is this case taking about when he is in a rush and it would inconvenience him?March 10, 2016 9:40 pm at 9:40 pm #1142159
I believe that the author is R’ Avraham Ort. It is a sefer on the halachos that apply to a person who is delayed in traffic erev Shabbos.
Is this case specifically for erev shabbos/ yom tov where if he doesn’t daven while driving he will not make it to his destination before shabbos/ Yom Tov begins thus causing him to break the shabbos/ yom tov?
Yes. If he pulls over to daven, he won’t be able to have kavana because he is a rush to make it to his destination before Shabbos. (So he will rush through the tefilla.) It’s talking about a case where he believes that he won’t be endangering anyone. If he is able to pull over, or to daven once he arrives at his destination, then good – but in this case he can’t, and he can’t daven after he arrives because (according to some opinions, at least) Mincha must be completed before shkia. And this person will be driving until pretty much the latest time you are allowed to drive.March 11, 2016 6:06 am at 6:06 am #1142160Avi KParticipant
1. A wise person sees what is coming. he should have davened BEFORE he started to drive. If he oculd not make it home in time from whatever emergency with which he dealyt (assumingthat it was an emergency) he should make arrangements to spendShabbat in the vicinity. If he could not he is now anoos and can daven an extra Amida after Maariv. Of course, if he is stopped completely there is no problem although he should put his car into neutral. Perhaps this is what the autot of the sefer meant.
2. How cany people habitually rush through the tefilla for various reasons?March 11, 2016 6:35 am at 6:35 am #1142161Sam2Participant
mik5: Then he’s an Annus and should Daven two Maarivs.March 11, 2016 3:30 pm at 3:30 pm #1142162mw13Participant
R’ Shlomo Zalman (Halichos Shlomo, Tefilah, 8:3) paskens it is assur to daven shemonah esray while driving a car since one is constantly preoccupied with driving. He also points out that doing so could lead to saknos nefashos.March 14, 2016 9:30 pm at 9:30 pm #1142163cherrybimParticipant
If alone in the car, some are able to be more focused on davening while driving, than when not. It’s not for everyone.
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