June 2, 2020 1:07 pm at 1:07 pm #1866957
Everyone should please write a short e-mail to President Trump imploring him to please send in the National Guard without further delay, before things get way more out of hand than already. The mayors and governors have failed Americans, with many of them tying the police’s hands behind their backs in order to appease the rioters.June 2, 2020 1:57 pm at 1:57 pm #1866981HealthParticipant
Joe -“send in the National Guard ”
He can’t; only Gov. of their own State.
He should Send in the Army, which he has already threatened to do.
This might be illegal though.June 2, 2020 2:00 pm at 2:00 pm #1866995Amil ZolaParticipant
A great many governors have deployed the national guard across the country, even in NYC. But not to worry it’s not like the president is gonna read your epistle.June 2, 2020 2:01 pm at 2:01 pm #1867002QuayboardwarriorParticipant
Unfortunately he’s too busy breaking up peaceful protests with rubber bullets for photo ops.June 2, 2020 2:29 pm at 2:29 pm #1867026
The President can federalize the National Guard. And then order them into action, in any State, under the Insurrection Act.June 2, 2020 2:30 pm at 2:30 pm #18670341Participant
Health, not illegal but AG of blue states will sue not toJune 2, 2020 2:46 pm at 2:46 pm #1867044Doing my bestParticipant
National guard is controlled by the governors, he can only send in military police which is very complicated to do.June 2, 2020 2:46 pm at 2:46 pm #1867045HealthParticipant
Joe – It’s easier, legally, to Send in the Army.June 2, 2020 2:50 pm at 2:50 pm #1867046
There’s virtually no chance the Supreme Court would permit any lower court to interfere with how the President chooses to command the military into action.June 2, 2020 3:46 pm at 3:46 pm #1867068
Health, DMB: The President can federalize the National Guard. And then send them in.
Or he could send in other Army units under the Insurrection Act.June 2, 2020 3:46 pm at 3:46 pm #1867069Amil ZolaParticipant
US military Blackhawks and Lakotas have already been deployed over DC. Rumors have it the FBI is doing flyovers with helicopters and drones for the purpose of photographing the riots.June 2, 2020 3:48 pm at 3:48 pm #1867105
Those who claim that the President can’t send the national guard are wrong. The National Guard is, as its name implies, a NATIONAL FORCE, not a state force. Some states have their own state guards, which are separate. But the National Guard is absolutely under the President’s authority and he can order it wherever he likes, including overseas. (How do you think it is that National Guardsmen serve in Iraq and Afghanistan? Do you think the President asked the governors for permission?!)
So he can send in the National Guard just as easily as he can the Army. And the Insurrection Act gives him the full legal authority to do so, provided that the local authorities have demonstrated their inability or unwillingness to put down the riots. That is why he warned them first; they have a chance to do what needs to be done themselves, and if they don’t then he will be entitled to do it for them. The Insurrection Act overrides the Posse Comitatus Act, so there is no possibility of any legal challenge. And if a judge tries to interfere we may FINALLY see the President do what he should have done 3 years ago, and tell these judges who are ultra vires to shove their orders where they will do the most good. No judge can compel the president to do anything.
Finally, QBW lies through his lying evil teeth. That was not a peaceful protest, it was an illegal gathering and the minute they refused to go home they were all criminals. They’re lucky they only got rubber bullets. They deserved much more. And so do you, if you support them.June 2, 2020 3:49 pm at 3:49 pm #1867112DovidBTParticipant
Some of us are fortunate enough to live in a place with a Republican governor and mayor who know how to stop mob violence.June 2, 2020 4:18 pm at 4:18 pm #1867133akupermaParticipant
Your request should be addressed to Governor Cuomo. The only condition under which a president could order the army to attack New York (deploy troops over the state’s objections) would be a finding that the state is in rebellion against the Federal constitution, or if need to enforce a federal law or protect federal property.June 2, 2020 6:03 pm at 6:03 pm #1867152
akuperman, see the Insurrection Act:
The President, by using the militia or the armed forces, or both, or by any other means, shall take such measures as he considers necessary to suppress, in a State, any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy, if it—
(1) so hinders the execution of the laws of that State, and of the United States within the State, that any part or class of its people is deprived of a right, privilege, immunity, or protection named in the Constitution and secured by law, and the constituted authorities of that State are unable, fail, or refuse to protect that right, privilege, or immunity, or to give that protection.
The current riots are definitely “domestic violence”, so if the state’s authorities “are unable, fail, or refuse” to protect people’s rights the President has the full authority to do so, using the National Guard, the Army, or any other forces he has at his command.
In addition, Antifa and “Black Lives Matter” are unlawful combinations and conspiracies, and their involvement can easily be argued to make the riots an insurrection. But we don’t need to go there because domestic violence is sufficient.June 2, 2020 8:17 pm at 8:17 pm #1867204Someone in MonseyParticipant
Milhouse, the President has authority over and use of the National Guard for overseas operations, as you noted, but domestically, the NG is under the control of their respective Governors.June 3, 2020 12:15 am at 12:15 am #1867268June 3, 2020 6:43 am at 6:43 am #18672881Participant
Presidents have used the military to stop riotsJune 3, 2020 6:43 am at 6:43 am #1867289
domestically, the NG is under the control of their respective Governors.
Only until the President wants it for something. He can call it up at any time and send it anywhere he likes.June 3, 2020 7:13 am at 7:13 am #1867309akupermaParticipant
IF you don’t like Cuomo, vote him out of office. That’s what New Yorkers did to his father (the governor who refused to send the National Guard to Crown Heights).June 3, 2020 7:50 pm at 7:50 pm #1867666Someone in MonseyParticipant
Within the United States, not without consent of Congress.June 3, 2020 10:06 pm at 10:06 pm #1867717
Within the United States, not without consent of Congress.
That is not true. Congress has no role in the matter. The President has the full authority to call out both the National Guard and the Army, over a state governor’s protests, if there is domestic violence and the local authorities either can’t or refuse to put it down.June 3, 2020 11:29 pm at 11:29 pm #1867771Doing my bestParticipant
The way some cities are using the national Guard is a little pointless. Some of them aren’t carrying anything besides guns, so they can’t help much besides by shooting people which to normal people doesn’t make any sense. So besides to try to scare people they’re basically pointless. We don’t want another Kent state shooting.
(I’m obviously not talking about the guardsmen with riot gear)June 7, 2020 10:09 pm at 10:09 pm #1868941chugibugiParticipant
the president is the commander in chief,he has full command of the fighting forces of the United States,congress has absolutely no say in it ,the only thing the president cannot do without congresse’s consent is to declare war
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