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In the videos of the recent Islamo-Nazi protest in front of the Park East Synagogue, Neturei Karta (Neturei Kapos) protestors were seen joining with their Muslim brothers who were chanting threats of violent jihad against the Jews.
This issue really has nothing to do with “Zionism” or “anti-Zionism”, Neturei Karta and their Muslim brothers are waging war against the Torah and against the Jews.
A fake strawman of “anti-Zionism” can never justify morphing Eretz Yisrael into a fake “Palestine” and joining with genocidal Muslim jihadists.
Those who demand “Free Palestine” should be considered non-Jews whose prophet is Mohamed and whose god is “Allah”.
The time is long overdue that the religious Jewish community declare Neturei Kapos to be non-Jewish “rodfim” and enemies of the Jews.
Neturei Kapos should be banished from all Torah observant synagogues and their busineses boycotted by decent Jews.
These chevra are like the Baal Peor. The more tzoah you throw at them, the happier they are. They don’t have a “shittah” or a “hashkafah”. They have a personality disorder. They get their kicks out of being hated and despised by their fellow Yidden, combined with the constant media spotlight (including right here on this website.) I wouldn’t be surprised to discover that some of them may actually read (for their own sick enjoyment) the many articles here blasting them. They also aren’t “Kapos” who sell their Neshoma for material benefits like some of the Israelis who were recently arrested for actually aiding Iran. They enjoy every minute of the notoriety and fighting. It’s a real sickness called “antisocial personality disorder”. The best way to deal with these guys is to simply ignore them, because that takes away their main source of “feed”. Of course, they do things so outrageous that it’s almost impossible to ignore them… That’s the whole point… So Rabbosai – don’t feed the trolls…
Declare Zionists to be Non-Jewish Rodfim and Enemies of the Jews
WrongJew:
This issue has everything to do “Zionism” or “anti-Zionism”. NK is demonstrating (perhaps in an appropriate manner, but that’s besides the point) to the world that Judaism is not the same Zionism and, in fact, just the opposite: Zionism is diametrically opposed to Judaism.The point of that is to tell the gentiles that Jews should not be held accountable for anything the Zionists do.
Let’s fix that line you wrote at the end:
The time is long overdue that the religious Jewish community declare Zionists to be non-Jewish “rodfim” and enemies of the Jews…Every member of the Neturei Karta is an ALLY of Hamas.
Every member of the Neturei Karta is an ALLY of Hezbollah.
Every member of the Neturei Karta is an ALLY of the Houthis.
Every member of the Neturei Karta is an ALLY of the Taliban & Al-
Every member of the Neturei Karta is an ALLY of the Iranian Ayatollahs.
Every member of the Neturei Karta is an ALLY of genocidal Jew-haters.
Every member of the Neturei Karta is an ALLY of Gaza terrorists who shot 36,000 rockets at Jews.
Every member of the Neturei Karta is an ALLY of terrorists who kidnap and murder Jewish children.
Every member of the Neturei Karta is an ALLY of terrorists who murdered 1,200+ Jews on 2023 October 7.
Every member of the Neturei Karta is an ALLY of terrorists who killed Jewish athletes at the Munich Olympics.
Every member of the Neturei Karta is a LUNATIC.
Every member of the Neturei Karta is a RASHA.
Every member of the Neturei Karta is a RODAIF.
Every member of the Neturei Karta is a MOSAIR.
Every member of the Neturei Karta is a TRAITOR.
Every member of the Neturei Karta is a NAZI or NEO-NAZI.
Every member of the Neturei Karta is a CHILLUL HASHEM.
The entire membership of the Neturei Karta
must be extradited to Israel and thrown in jail, until they die.Everything I said about the Neturei Karta [Neturei Kapos]
is also true for: UJM, HaKatan and SomeJewIKnow.But what if it turns out they were right along. In the near future, the United States will probably elect a “Progressive” Democrat as President (the job has a history of alternating between parties) and the US will join the rest of the world in supporting the Palestinians. That means Israel will be unable to import anything of value, Jews in the Diaspora will be sent to prison for sending money to Israel, and Jewish institutions worldwide will be threatened with closure (and loss of tax exempt status) for supporting the outlaw state of Israel. And of course, anyone with a past history of working with the zionists will be seen as a war criminal. And guess which Jewish organizations will be able represent the Yishuv?
The zionists have a short window to cut a deal with the Palestinians, perhaps only another three years. When the zionists see themselves in the corner with no escape, most of the frum community will realize the Hareidi rabbanim (and I am not referring to those whose primary relation with the Medinah was to trade political support for subsidies) were right all along, and that establishing a medinah at this time, by brute force and by conquering the goyim was maybe not the cleverest thing to do.
SQUARE_ROOT – You have more lines in your post starting “Every member of the NK” than they have members…
@ UJM
You took the words right out of my thumbs!!
Joseph Goebbels,
You should be tuned over to Germany for prosecution as an anti-Semitic Nazi, just like your close relative was. You’re not even Jewish.
akuperma – לא נביא אנכי ולא בן נביא אנכי. I am also no fan of Zionism or the State. However, I am not afraid of your proposed scenario, simply because the overwhelming consensus of Gedolei Yisroel, including those affiliated with the Satmar Hashkafah, DO NOT in any way approve of the antics of the (fake) NK. Therefore I am not worried about a scenario in which the (pseudo) NK will be “right” and “the representatives of the Yishuv”. Not because the State will protect us, but because the Ribbono Shel Olam will protect us. None of this has to do with the many wrong things that were done in the past by the Zionist movement, but with the Hashgacha and Shemirah of the Ribbono Shel Olam on millions of Jews in the present. Since no Gedolei Yisroel I know of, including the biggest (normative) Kanoyim, even remotely suggest leaving Eretz Yisroel (for those already here), I am actually more concerned about the future of Jews in America that in Eretz Yisroel. There is also לכל הדעות ולכל השיטות a heightened Hashgacha Pratis here of תמיד עיני השם אלקיך בה above and beyond חוץ לארץ, and nothing the ערב רב or the Arabs etc. do can change that.
SQUARE_ROOT:
You have falsely accused Jews of being messengers of savages, and have now actually cursed Jews simply because they don’t believe in your idol.You should beg forgiveness from all those Jews you have cursed, and you should also be banned from posting on these boards anything other than those apologies.
If we learned anything from the last century, we should be humble in our (collective) ability to predict what will happen in the world, and we should be observing and reacting to what is happening, trying to do it together rather than fighting each other. Nobody won cultural and religious wars of 1930s Poland.
“You should beg forgiveness from all those Jews you have cursed, and you should also be banned from posting on these boards anything other than those apologies.”
You first, <expletive>.
Enemies of Jews? Yes. Rodfim? Absolutely. Non-Jewish? not only incorrect, but meaningless. No declaration can change the reality.
Yaakov Yosef A said:
SQUARE_ROOT – You have more lines in your post starting
“Every member of the NK” than they have members…__________________________________________
MY RESPONSE:Yaakov Yosef A, I acknowledge the factual correctness of your comment.
But with all due respect, sir, and with no offense intended, you missed the point.
The Neturei Karta [Neturei Kapos] are few in number, just like you said.
BUT, they are constantly being given big publicity in: newspapers,
magazines, television news, Youtube, and social media web sites.In the end, what matters is not how many members they have.
What matters is the hundreds of millions of people who see them every year.
What matters is the billions of people who see them every year.Do you understand the point that I am trying to make? Thank you.
Every member of the Neturei Karta is an ALLY of terrorists who
murdered Rabbi Meir Kahane ZTL ZYA HYD on 1990 November 5.Every member of the Neturei Karta is an ALLY of terrorists who
murdered 34-year-old Rabbi Binyamin Ze’ev Kahane ZTL ZYA HYD
and his wife Talia on 2000 December 31Every member of the Neturei Karta is an ALLY of terrorists who
murdered 16 civilians HYD on 2001 August 9
in the Sbarro’s restaurant suicide bombing.Every member of the Neturei Karta is an ALLY of terrorists who
murdered 3,000 innocent people on 2001 September 11,
when they hijacked 4 airplanes and flew them into both towers
of The World Trade Center in Manhattan and The Pentagon Building.Every member of the Neturei Karta is an ALLY of terrorists who
MURDERED three teenage Jews in year 2014 June 12:
Eyal Yifrach HYD, Gilad Shaar HYD, and Naftali Fraenkel HYD.Every member of the Neturei Karta is an ALLY of terrorists from
Gaza who shot 36,000 missiles at Israeli civilians, from 2006 CE to 2023 CE.Every member of the Neturei Karta is an ALLY of terrorists who
murdered Jewish babies HYD in Gaza by BEHEADING them.Every member of the Neturei Karta is an ALLY of terrorists who
murdered Jewish babies HYD in Gaza by STRANGLING them.Every member of the Neturei Karta is an ALLY of terrorists who
murdered Jewish babies HYD in Gaza by COOKING them in Microwave Ovens.Every member of the Neturei Karta is an ALLY of terrorists who
RAPED Jewish women HYD in Gaza, hundreds of times,
and broke their legs to make it easier to RAPE them again.Every member of the Neturei Karta is an ALLY of terrorists who
KIDNAPPED more than 200 Jews on 2023 October 7, and STARVED them,
and hung them upside-down, and denied them medical care, and
forced them to dig their own graves, and MURDERED half of them in captivity.Every member of the Neturei Karta is an ALLY of terrorists who
MURDERED more than 900 Jewish soldiers in Gaza,
between year 2023 CE and year 2025 CE.Every member of the Neturei Karta is an ALLY of Iranian Ayatollahs,
and their followers, who chant “DEATH TO ISRAEL”,
365 days a year, every year since 1979 CE.Every member of the Neturei Karta is an ALLY of terrorists supporters
who often express their desire to completely
destroy ALL of Israel “FROM THE RIVER, TO THE SEA”.Every member of the Neturei Karta is an ALLY of terrorists who
believe that The Last Day cannot come, until 100% of the world’s
Jews are DEAD, as is claimed in ancient Islamic Holy Books [Hadith].Every member of the Neturei Karta should be PERMANENTLY BANNED
from prayer and membership in our synagogues.Every member of the Neturei Karta should be PERMANENTLY BANNED
from kosher restaurants and simchah halls.ZSK:
Not forgiven. I have not cursed anyone.RightJew:
Wrong. I was not at all dishonest.
The Zionists are totally corrupting the meaning of that first Rashi, and of course I believe in that and the rest of the Torah. Of course.No, the fictional land “Palestine” does not actually belong to the fictional “Palestinians”. Not that it matters.
Normal Orthodox Jews would not participate in such activities, but it is very understandable why those Jews do so – as mentioned, because it shows the world that the wicked Zionists do not represent the Jews and therefore gentiles who have a problem with the Zionists should therefore not take that out on random Jews as has unfortunately happened every time the Zionists engage in one of their never-ending wars.
SQUARE_ROOT:
You have falsely accused Jews of being messengers of savages, and have now actually cursed Jews simply because they don’t believe in your idol.You should beg forgiveness from all those Jews you have cursed, and you should also be banned from posting on these boards anything other than those apologies.
HaKatan: It was YOUR relentless attacks against “The Zionists”
that persuaded me to become active in this YWN Coffee Room.So if you do not like my comments, you have nobody to blame
except yourself, because *** YOU *** are directly responsible
for motivating me to make those comments to begin with.If HaKatan and UJM never would have attacked “The Zionists”,
then I *** NEVER *** would have made 95% of the comments
thar I made in this YWN Coffee Room, over the past 3 years.“if HaKatan and UJM never would have attacked “The Zionists”,then I *** NEVER *** would have made 95% of the comments thar I made in this YWN Coffee Room, over the past 3 years.”
News to me you have been posting mindless cut and paste since the day you joined
@rightjew
what’s your question about zionists and Jerusalem. of course Jerusalem does not belong to the zionists. it currently doesn’t belong to the jews either, as we are in gulis. but either way, it certainly doesn’t belong to the zionists!RightJew:
Your criticism of me is again wrong. What does NK’s letters have to do with anything, and what do Zionists vs. “Palestinians” have anything to do with Jews?The statement you quoted from them happens to be true: “It is clear from the Torah that not only Jerusalem does not belong to the Zionists; none of Palestine is theirs.” The Torah indeed does not give anything to them. It is simple halachic reality that Jews are forbidden to seek political independence and further forbidden from rebelling against the nations and also further forbidden from moving en masse to the Holy Land, all of which the Zionists flagrantly violated.
As to their “alliance” and all the other nonsense, they are obviously not heretical and certainly not more so than the atheistic Zionists. Regardless, the point they are desperately trying to make is that Jews are not responsible for anything the Zionists do. So, perhaps either thank them for their service in that regard or just ignore them.
It is DISPUTED halachic reality that Jews were forbidden to have sought political independence and further forbidden from rebelling against the nations and also further forbidden from moving en masse to the Holy Land, all of which the Zionists POSSIBLY violated.
corrected it for katan —
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.Even if the Zionists violated the גזרה of גלות or מרידה באומות at some point (’48?, Lechi and Etzel?, צריך עיון when exactly that happened.), but once that already happened is it necessary or even possible to “turn back the clock”, even according to that Shittah? From what I understand the Divrei Yoel Davened for the safety of the Jews in Eretz Yisrael during all of the wars, and he and his Chassidim continued to build in Israel until today, so it doesn’t seem they hold of destroying the Yishuv once it exists.
I am perplexed by your phrasing of “Even if the Zionists violated the גזרה of גלות…”. Who in the Torah world claims that they NEVER did that. Sure, there is much pilpul about exactly how they broke -for example – the shulosh shevios, such as was it the mass aliyah or the wars to be over on the oath of “yali kachomah”. But, the kofrim made it easy for Torah Jews by literally breaking every single shita of every single shevia.
Beyond the shulosh shevios, the same can be said about every aspect of gzairas hagulis. What’s the phrase, “when someone says who they are, believe them” or something like that?
Moving forward, I don’t know what you might mean by “turn back the clock”. You must have something in mind, but it’s not clear from your words what you are talking about.
The “yishiv”has existed in (Greater) Eretz Yisroel since Moshe Rebaini, long before the zionists. There have also been many governments, some good and some bad. Judaism rejects the false claim that this government is “Jewish” and that the sins it does somehow serves the (real) Jewish Nation. There speculate that a state that keeps all of Torah could indeed claim to be “Jewish” before moshiach, but – despite the foolish absurdity – that has nothing to do with the zionist creature called (maliciously) the “State of Israel”.
The reality is that purpose of gulis is specifically so that we Jews will rely on and depend on Hashem for our salvation. Just like we don’t put ourselves in dangerous situations we don’t do sins (like going against the shulosh shevios) for some calculated fools “good”. Just like its not worth chsv”sh losing one Jewish life to keep the Jewish communities remain in Eretz Yisroel, it is also not worth doing avairos to keep the Jewish community to remain in EY.
Thankfully, we do have G-d to rely on and thankfully the nisoyan He has given us is NOT choosing between breaking the gezeiras hagulis or giving up our lives (which is the explicit stance of the Maharal, amongst others). Instead, we are only beseeched to reject the heresy of Zionism while living in EY or getting on a plane to move somewhere else.
By “turning back the clock” I mean that if, lets say too many Jews came to Eretz Yisroel which would be ״שלא יעלו כחומה״ (even though less than 7% of כלל ישראל were living in Eretz Yisroel in ’48), so then the תיקון would be for them to move away? If their arrival was somehow assur, so is it assur for them to stay once there?
Radical anti-Zionists who want to dismantle the State of Israel,
more than 75 years after it was founded,
are like a mother who decides that she wants to abort her own child,
when that child is 25-years-old.Any mother who wants to “abort” her 25-year-old child
is a lunatic and a rodaif, and anyone who wants to
dismantle the State and Army of Israel, more than
75 years after they were founded, is also a lunatic and a rodaif.Every member of the Neturei Karta is a LUNATIC.
Every member of the Neturei Karta is a RODAIF.
Every member of the Neturei Karta is a MOSAIR.
Every member of the Neturei Karta is a TRAITOR.
Every member of the Neturei Karta is a CHILLUL HASHEM.
Every member of the Neturei Karta is guilty of helping to make anti-Semitism great again.
@shimon-katz
I’ve never heard anyone come to the conclusion vis-a-vis the shevios that Yidden must now leave Eretz Yisroel.The closest I’ve heard is the Satmar Rebbe ztz”l would tell people generally not to go because there are sha’ailos every day of ‘yharog v’al taavor’ as one is forced to navigate under the boot of zionism. For example, one might be forced with the complexity of needing to chalila call the police or pay a parking ticket, and each time there are new questions in what the proper way to respond with the issues being severe on both sides of the shikel daas.
But, he doesn’t say they must leave.
So, if you are trying to present a position that kosher yidden must now leave Eretz Yisroel al pi the Torah, you would need to build out that claim with sources.
somejew ignores clear shulchan aruch
clear tur
clear rambam in yad
clear poskim all over
who clearly reject halacha lemaaseh what he seems to quote from maharal
that one is obligated to be moser nefesh not to go against the shavu’ot
the halacha is , as is unanimously decided by our great and widely accepted codifiers
that pikuach nefesh takes precedence over any chashash of the shavu’ot.
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no one should forget that – everthis is a huge distortion of halacha which somejew propagates here
millions of innocent lives are in the balance
ready to be sacrificed by somejew’s blind adherence to the NK party line
instead of being mevatel the remnants of his sechel to the accepted process
of deciding halacha as it is accepted by klal yisrael since time immemorial
.I suppose anyone reading could just look up the sources and see. It is not hard to find the many gedolim who published and continue to publish seforim about the heresy of zionism and the death they have brought upon us. It is not hard to find the many mareh mekomos that accompany and are the centerpieces of these seforim.
Unfortunately you live in a fantasy world of made up “shulchan aruchs” and “mishne torahs”, Rachmuneh Latzlun. Your lies quickly unravel if you bother to learn and do tshivah.
What you will not find is a any Gadol challenging those mekoros and the unified mesorah we have on them.
The best the zionist church has to offer is Menachem Kasher yimach shemo who was know for his rampant forgeries. And Shlomo Aviner who somehow argues with Vayoel Moshe without mentioning the answers explicitly to his “kashos” written in Vayoel Moshe itself. It all reads the same as their “Jews for J” counterparts. No integrity. No yiras shomayim. Only a thirst for jewish violence and death.
not a fantasy world at all
reality world …. using the exact same standards of deciding halacha in all other aspects of the torah
clear shulchan aruch
clear tur
clear rambam
clear mishne brura
no doubts whatsoever …
you are falsely being mafkir the blood of innocents beshem the torah
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Neturei Karta Attacks Rav Moshe Hillel Hirsch:
When Rabbi Shteinmann ZTL ZYA came to Monsey,
the Neturei Karta spit on his face.When will we Jews get SERIOUS about stopping this very dangerous evil?
Every member of the Neturei Karta is a LUNATIC.
Every member of the Neturei Karta is a RODAIF.
Every member of the Neturei Karta is a MOSAIR.
Every member of the Neturei Karta is a CHILLUL HASHEM.
Every member of the Neturei Karta is a SHONDA FOR THE G0Y1M.
Every member of the Neturei Karta is a FANATICAL ANTI-SEMITE.if someone who is required to tshiva re their crooked hashkafa it is you
yes you – the shoteh called somejew
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No integrity. No yiras shomayim. Only a thirst for labeling your opponents as apikorsim .
.SomeJewIKnow, I didn’t seriously suggest “turning back the clock” in real life. You and your friends seem to do so. The מציאות is that millions of Yidden live now in Eretz Yisroel, regardless of how that came to be, and any attempt to suddenly change the status quo would בלי שום ספק endanger many many Jewish lives ר״ל. The Divrei Yoel זצ״ל did not and certainly would not ever be in favor of risking the life of even one Yid. A total non-starter. In fact, one of his biggest טענות against the Zionists of his era, was how freely they risked Jewish lives without any guarantee that their plans would succeed. The Brisker Rov זצ״ל famously held this to be the biggest טענה against Zionism, more than the שבועות aspect.
Continued.
So, Reb SomeJew, what is the היתר to act like a “Zionist” and be מפקיר Jewish lives, even theoretically, supposedly in the name of “anti-Zionism”? This is why the Divrei Yoel זצ״ל DID NOT hold of the disgusting antics of the people in the news every other day who call themselves Neturei Karta (who אגב probably aren’t even coordinated with the Yerushalmi group of the same name, although I can’t prove that conclusively.)
Shimon:
The Divrei Yoel זצ״ל in fact did authorize and participate in public demonstrations against the State of “Israel”.
@shimon-katz
I’m at a loss of words. Who is calling for a political “sudden change of status quo”? The handful of long form interviews I’ve listen to from NK leaders are clear that they are not pushing any political agenda, no practical action, rather their activism is purely theological in nature.And you are correct, taking charge politically of the situation is precisely one of the many sins of the zionist evil movement. No one is picking up a gun to stop the IDF in the name Torah.
It baffles me that this is not obvious if you have ever read anything from NK or anyone else from the Torah world. From top to bottom Torah’s anti-zionism like it anti-catholicism is about saving Jewish lives.
ujm:
Of course he held of demonstrations. Just not together with Arabs. בשום פנים ואופן A very small detail that you left out…
ujm is right. SR zatsal did participate in demonstrations against Israel in the US.
these demonstrations were vehemently opposed by rav aharon kotler zatsal.
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.Yankel: I’m not aware of that being the case. On what basis do you assert that?
It appears unlikely as just ten years ago Rav Malkiel Kotler, Rav Elya Ber Wachtfogel, Rav Ahron Schter and other Litvish Gedolim together with both Satmar Rebbes and other Chasidishe Gedolim together joined at a public protest against the State of Israel in Manhattan when they were trying, again, to forcibly draft Bnei Torah.
Yankel Berel said:
“SR zatsal did participate in demonstrations against Israel in the US. “
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MY RESPONSE:What the Satmar Rebbe did in the 1950s is Ancient History and is no longer relevant.
In the 1950s the State of Israel was less than ten years old and did not include The Kotel.
In the 1950s the vast majority of Jews in the State of Israel
did NOT have telephones and waited many years to get one.In the 1950s the State of Israel was NOTHING compared to what it is now.
In the 1950s, anti-Zionists were a very small minority opinion
and Satmar represented a very small minority of Orthodox Jews.After The Holocaust, anti-Zionism became
much less popular among Jews,
and after the Six Day War of 1967 CE,
anti-Zionism became even less popular among JewsYankel Berel said:
“These demonstrations were vehemently opposed by Rav Aharon Kotler zatsal.”
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MY RESPONSE:Without an exact source, few people will believe you.
Maybe this will help:
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“In [year]1948 [CE], after the Arabs attacked the newly declared
Jewish state and soldiers were falling on the battlefield,
several Roshei Yeshivah taunted Reb Shraga Feivel [Mendlowitz]
for having recited the blessing [HaTov VeHaMeitiv].Reb Shraga Feivel turned to Rabbi Aharon Kotler,
who agreed with him that the U. N. [United Nations] resolution
[to establish a Jewish State in Eretz Yisrael in year 1948 CE]
was indeed worthy of the blessing [HaTov VeHaMeitiv].”SOURCE: Reb Shraga Feivel: the life and times of Rabbi Shraga Feivel Mendlowitz,
the architect of Torah in America (chapter 26, page 331, footnote 3,
heard from Rabbi Nesanel Quinn) by Yonoson Rosenblum for Artscroll / Mesorah,
year 2001 CE, based on Aharon Sorasky’s Shelucha DeRachmana,
ISBNs: 157819797X, 9781578197972, 1578197961, 9781578197965That should have read Rav Ahron Schechter who together with Rav Malkiel Kotler, Rav Elya Ber Wachtfogel, the two Satmar Rebbes and other Litvish and Chasidish Gedolim together orgnaized a protest in Manhattan against the State of Israel.
@SQUARE_ROOT:
You should be banned from posting (especially nonsense but, regardless) anything until you apologize for calling Jews Hamas agents and the like.Chananya Weissman is a LUNATIC
Chananya Weissman is a RODAIF.
Chananya Weissman is a MOSAIR.
Chanaynya Weissman a CHILLUL HASHEM.
Chananya Weissman is a SHONDA FOR THE G0Y1M.ujm :
have you read the principal of satmars book about the SR ? think its mentioned there
its also mentioned in r eliahu beane’s book about rav ahron kotler – interviews from his talmidim vol 1
situations change, so responses to situations also change
there is no proof that rav ahron today would disapprove of his grandsons actions
micro,
You should be banned from posting anything until you call out your NK (Nazi Kapo) buddies for their vile behavior against the Gadol Hador.
You tried to dance around this by writing, “there is no need to condemn the obvious”. Yet you also wrote “we don’t run our lives based on what people claim gedolim say. We ask our rav or rebbi who has a real mesorah from a real rebbi…going all the way back”.
What you really meant is that you, just like NK, don’t hold of him as Gadol Hador. Until you explicitly acknowledge their unacceptable public desecration, you have no right to criticize anyone!
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