Declare Neturei Karta to be Non-Jewish Rodfim and Enemies of the Jews

@square root a large percentage of orthadox jews (satmar, dushinsky, perushim, all talmidim of slabodka, all talmidim of cervron, toldos aharon, toldos avrohom yitzchok ect.) are against zionism.

This goes against your comment What the Satmar Rebbe did in the 1950s is Ancient History and is no longer relevant.

After The Holocaust, anti-Zionism became
much less popular among Jews,
and after the Six Day War of 1967 CE,
anti-Zionism became even less popular among Jews

RightJew:
Let’s rewrite that to reflect reality.
“Pro-Zionism” rantings of “Religious Zionists” serve to sanitize the great evils and Jew-hatred promoted by their idol.
“Pro-Zionism” Jew haters exploit their idolatry of Zionism to legitimize Zionist shmad and persecution of our fellow Jews under their jackboot.

RightJew said:

“Allah’s Messenger said,
“The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews,
and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say.
“O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him.”
( sunnah dot com/bukhari:2926 )

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MY RESPONSE:

Thank you very much for this accurate and valuable quote.
I already verified the link that goes with the quote.

This Hadith – which preaches that ALL JEWS must be KILLED by Muslims
— appears seven [7] times in the Hadith. There are two versions of this Hadith:

In the first version, which you already quoted,
the Last Jew is hiding behind a rock,
before he is KILLED by a Muslim.

In the second version, the Last Jew is hiding behind a tree,
before he is KILLED by a Muslim.

In all versions, the Last Jew On Earth is KILLED by a Muslim,
which completes GENOCIDE against ALL JEWS – even those Jews
who are non-Zionist, and even those Jews who are anti-Zionist!

The wicked brainwashed Neturei Karta *** NEVER *** talk about
this quote from Islamic holy books, because it contradicts their
false version of Jewish History, which falsely claims
that there was no Muslim anti-Semitism, before “The Zionists”.

May G*D punish them for relentlessly spreading lies
that mislead both Jews and Goyim.

After the Balfour Declaration, in HaTekufah HaGedolah, page 174 to 175,
Rabbi Meir Simcha of Dvinsk (born in 1843 CE & died in 1926 CE)
wrote that “the fear of The [Three] Oaths has departed.”

He expressed his approval of Religious Zionism
in Sare HaMeah, Volume 6, pages.233 to 234.

RightJew said:

“(In March 627 [CE]) the Messenger of God [Mohammed]
breakfasted at the market and gave instructions for a furrow
to be dug there in which to bury those to be killed…

The Messenger of God [Mohammed] sat
with the distinguished among his companions.

He called for the men of the (Jewish tribe of) Banu Qurayza,
and they came out at a leisurely pace, and their heads were cut off.”

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MY RESPONSE:

Thank you for publicizing this relevant but little-known historic incident.

Please allow me to add 3 details that you did not mention:

[1] In the massacre described above,
more than 800 Jewish men had their head chopped off.

[2] In the massacre described above, ALL widows and orphans
of more than 800 Jewish men were made into SLAVES.

[3] Muslims are required, by their religion, to believe that
this incident describes the most correct and most righteous behavior,
for all Muslims, in all generations, forever.

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Radical anti-Zionist fanatics want all Jews to believe that
“Jews and Muslims were at peace with each other,
before the Zionists ruined everything”.

That statement is the opposite of the truth,
and it can only be believed by people who know nothing about
the History of Islam and nothing about History of Jews in Muslim lands.

@kgn
being “haredi” by names means rejecting the “zionist” state. You could argue that the “agudah” camp of the charedi world makes a (self-described illogical and abstract ‘horaas shu’ah’ see sefer “Biyas Hazman”) distinction between the zionist identity and the practical functions of the government, the chraedi Gedolim still unanimously protest the existence of the state in the same way their predecessors unanimously protest the existence of the Nazi regime in Europe.

Again, I challenge you as I have challenged others here to find any Torah source, (seforim, sh”ut or otherwise) by Gedolim who have said differently (this includes Rav Shach as well as Lubavitcher Rebbe).

somejew :
the chraedi Gedolim still unanimously protest the existence of the state in the same way their predecessors unanimously protest the existence of the Nazi regime in Europe.

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this statement by somejew is obviously ridiculous . even a ten year old would know that …

the following statement is the real correct statement :

the NK nutjobs including the vile somejew , still unanimously lie about the position of mainstream charedi gdolim about the existence of the state in exactly the same way the Nazi regime unanimously lied about the Jewish People in Europe.
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@SQUARE_ROOT has still not apologized for cursing Jews on this forum so his nonsense will be ignored here.

@RightJew (Wrong, in fact.)
None other than Rabbi Dr. Soloveichik, head of Mizrachi, openly stated that everyone knows that Zionist and its “State” caused a skyrocketing jump in the hatred of Arabs against Jews (because the Zionists lied that they the Zionists were acting in the name of Jews).

No, it was not a paradise for a Jew to have lived under Muslim rule, but Jews did far, far better under Muslim rule than they did under Christian rule. And, more to the point, the decades leading up to the 20th century were far, far more peaceful for Jews in the holy land than were the decades after the Zionists invaded the holy land. This is simple fact, and only Zionist idolaters refuse to acknowledge that.

So, no, it is not Satmar that is “radical”, as Satmar is in fact mainstream Torah, as opposed to Zionist idolatry which is extremely radical – redefining Judaism into Zionism, etc. NK isn’t relevant to typical conversations, but they obviously would hold similarly on the core issues.

@katan

So, no, it is Satmar that is considered radical by the majority of yehudim ma’aminim, as

Satmar is considered as mainstream Torah, ONLY by satmar minded people , a vocal but clear minority of orthodox people all around the world .

your credibility would lift immensely if you would acknowledge this clear fact , which even any ten year old in any community knows to be true ….
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Yankel: HaKatan is absolutely 100% correct. The entire Torah world and Gedolei Yisroel always considered the Satmar Rebbe ztvk’l of the greatest of the great Gedolei Yisroel. Even when they might have quibbled over some nuances. By and large all of the Gedolei Yisroel from the Litvish and Chasidish worlds and the Satmar Rebbe agreed with each other on all major points.

Yankel Berel has mentioned an important idea:

The fanatical anti-Zionists are endlessly obsessed with ideas that are:
inaccurate, or irrelevant, or unverifiable conjectures, or outdated minority opinions.

Their thinking is clumsy and filled with mistakes.

@UJM:

depends what you consider ‘major points’

if it is the 13 ikarim , then yes

if it is that the mere existence of the medina is stopping mashiach from coming , then no

you can go on and on about things which are very major in satmars eyes , which are simply not accepted in mainstream haredi judaism

besides , no one ever , incuding me , ever called satmar rav’s personal gadlut in to question

that was never the issue

the main issue is the false and crooked impression that somehow all haredim hold of satmar view of the medina

any astute child knows that not to be true

and that is still bemeizid misrepresented by revisionists like ujm , somejew and katan …

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@ujm

we need your honest answer …

Hate of The Jews – A Historical Inheritance [2020 – printed in Gaza]
No Future [for the Jew] within the Nations [2008 – printed in Algeria]

These are the titles of the books , published by Dr Alhazar , Founding Father and Member of Politburo of Hamas and ex Foreign Minister of the Hamas government of Gaza.

In it , the esteemed author makes several extremely popular statements. Popular with his readership , the Arabs of Gaza and the West Bank. And with the Palestine – supporting outsiders . A copy of his book was found on the ‘humanitarian’ 2010 Mavi Marmara flotilla whose travelers’ ostensible goal was nothing more than providing aid to suffering Gazan Arabs .

Within those books the following gems are to be found ….

– The Jews were killed in Germany because they helped the enemy

– All misfortunes suffered by the Jews anywhere over the generations are their own fault

– The Koran encourages the killing of Jews

– All Jews have to be driven out of Palestine

– The Jew is the historical center of evil, hated by the entire world

– The endgame is the total uprooting of the Jew , which will happen at the End of Days, may it happen with Allah’s help

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These are the friends of somejew , of ujm , flamingOTD and katan

These are the people who are naturally next in line to take over governance of EY , when the fervent wishes of somejew , katan , flamingOTD and ujm for the collapse of the hated medina will materialize …

The very minute the IDF stops its work , those ‘people’ are taking over ….

No one besides the IDF is prepared to suffer dead and wounded to stop those ‘people’

No outside force will risk the lives of their soldiers to confront those fanatics

This is clear to anyone not bribed by ideological blinkers ….
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