January 7, 2021 9:32 am at 9:32 am #1936118
Democracy is Not Hashem’s will.
First we had Profets, then we had kings, in Judaism.
Simply there is only one Hashem. Whether you are a Yid or a Goy.
That’s why there’s at 7 Mitzvos Bnai Noach.
Democracy means that if for example, that there is more than one party, then that one Party that becomes in charge, they can make laws.
The US never had one Party – that I would compare to the Tower of Buvel, until Now!January 7, 2021 10:16 am at 10:16 am #1936236
The Sefer Chagvei Haselah explains that the aleph was complaining why the Torah did not start with it?
Hashem said that people differ in understanding but Torah unites as the in the Ten Commandments against the mitzvos of the Torah starting with an aleph. The two parties are against the different views of people. The Beis Hilel had the Beis Shamai which protected them from tunnel vision by seeing another side allowing tbem to come to the truth. The Beis Hilel wanted to hear the Beis Shamai first because of tbeir great humility.January 7, 2021 10:16 am at 10:16 am #1936238
Democracy is free choice which is Hashem’s will.January 7, 2021 10:33 am at 10:33 am #1936249
What is the purpose of this thread? It is obvious that at resurrection people will come to realize that Hashem is the only One but until then we need free choice by having multiple parties. We have no prophets now.January 7, 2021 10:34 am at 10:34 am #1936253
Authocracy is dangerous currently as the Nazis and the Inquisition has shown.January 7, 2021 11:46 am at 11:46 am #1936283GadolhadorahParticipant
Joe Biden will be president at 12:01 PM on January 20th only because hashem wanted him in the Oval Office. Thats the way it was determined to be whether you call it a “democracy” or “autocracy” or just a country temporarily under the control of a lunatic.January 7, 2021 12:03 pm at 12:03 pm #1936284charliehallParticipant
“What is the purpose of this thread?”
It is an attempt to justify the OP’s support for yesterday’s coup by falsifying Torah. OP should ask Jews who survived what Fascist Italy or Vichy France were like. Or Nazi Germany. Or the Soviet Bloc. OP would have been much more at home in those countries, until they came….January 7, 2021 12:06 pm at 12:06 pm #1936290
RE -“Authocracy is dangerous currently as the Nazis and the Inquisition has shown.”
And how did the Nazis come to Power?!?
With a Democratic Germany.
This is what is happening in the US today.
It’s very sad that you can’t see through this, calling yourself a Rabbi.
The rebellion against Hashem started when they legalized Abortion!
Now that party will be in control of the USA.January 7, 2021 1:33 pm at 1:33 pm #1936348
Health, abortion is free choice as democracy dictates. It does not mean anyone has to do it but under certain conditions it might be necessary. Nazis misled people to follow them as Trump does.January 7, 2021 1:44 pm at 1:44 pm #1936353commonsaychelParticipant
“Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others.”
― Winston S. ChurchillJanuary 7, 2021 2:23 pm at 2:23 pm #1936372erParticipant
Re: Health “And how did the Nazis come to Power?!? With a Democratic Germany.”
The typical system of governance for most of human history has been ultimately based on “might makes right.” If my side is physically stronger, than I could subjugate you to any rule I wish. And if you have a good life, that’s only because I happen to have mercy on you. Democracy attempts to end or at least limit this notion by making the leaders more accountable to its citizens. So it’s a noble idea, albeit there are obvious kinks. The kinks are most manifest when people disregard these democratic principles, like ignoring votes or engaging in violent overthrow.
Another obvious annoyance with our democracy, as you allude, is when you personally and morally don’t like certain laws in place, such as abortion. But it’s better than a Christian coming to power who c.v.s. makes you go to church and bans Yiddishkeit (as an aside, a poll last year shows that something like 80% of fundamentalist Christians wanted to institute “christian law” in the U.S.). Despite this annoyance, at least democracy gives you a chance to win people over to your viewpoint with your obvious chein and budding intellect. Compare that with Kabul or Iraq where people blow each other up in order to implement their religious laws on others. Want to move there? Until Moshiach comes, I’ll take democracy.
Germany’s democracy wasn’t the reason for the authoritarian regime. Yes, a democracy allows bad people to introduce their dangerous views and possibly come to power. But that’s a given in a might-makes-right society. In fact, it was Hitler’s doing away with democracy that helped him to do what he did (like canceling elections, for one!). In the end, a stable democracy depends on maintaining your good faith in the system. And its ability to protect people’s rights better than a ‘might-makes-right’ system depends on maintaining good neighbors.January 7, 2021 2:24 pm at 2:24 pm #1936368
RE -“Health, abortion is free choice as democracy dictates. It does not mean anyone has to do it but under certain conditions it might be necessary. Nazis misled people to follow them as Trump does”
Well then, you must be a Chossid of Trump.
Because you are coming here to Mislead e/o.
Abortion was never illegal in this country for Medical Necessity.
What the Libs and DemonCrats have done is made Abortion At Will!
This is a rebellion against Hashem!January 7, 2021 3:43 pm at 3:43 pm #1936429
If one follows 7 mitzvos he would not do it anyway, otherwise forbidding abortiions caters to the rich who travel to a place where it is allowed.January 7, 2021 6:08 pm at 6:08 pm #1936466☕️coffee addictParticipant
Not sure what happened in my previous post should finish off as mission for African AmericansJanuary 7, 2021 6:45 pm at 6:45 pm #1936479jdf007Participant
If we’re going to discuss abortion, someone needs to point out that what’s legal in America is illegal in most of the world but for China. America has the loosest abortion laws in the entire world.
How about that?January 7, 2021 7:29 pm at 7:29 pm #1936488☕️coffee addictParticipant
I guess it didn’t post
Here it is again
“otherwise forbidding abortiions caters to the rich who travel to a place where it is allowed.“
I think most people that get abortions aren’t rich
It’s due to 1 of 2 reasons (most of the time)
1) rich people don’t usually make “mistakes”
2) another reason for an abortion is that they can’t take care of it
That’s why planned parenthood startedJanuary 7, 2021 8:03 pm at 8:03 pm #1936496
RE -“If one follows 7 mitzvos he would not do it anyway, otherwise forbidding abortiions caters to the rich who travel to a place where it is allowed”
Even if that statement would be True, you still can’t Allow Abortions in the US.
Being that you claim to be a Rabbi, you surely know what the 7 Mitzvos are.
You are Not responsible for what some other Country does.
But the Goyim are Responsible to make laws that Conform to the other 6; this would include Killing Fetuses!January 7, 2021 8:29 pm at 8:29 pm #1936507
How many people are being killed for not having enough food with your swim or sink mentality in this COVID environment?January 7, 2021 8:30 pm at 8:30 pm #1936503Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipant
What about Shmuel being unhappy when Jews (democratically) ask him to establish the monarchy?
Btw, most nations had kings for centuries not because they were dumb and never heard about democracy. Democracy was not considered viable – with masses of uneducated people making decisions. That is why we do not live in a democracy, but in a Republic.
We partially solved the “uneducated” problems in 20th century, but created an opposite one. Now, there are oligopolies in education and information industries, so people (aka voters) get fed well-crafted information en masse. We can see this in almost every discussion – everyone is capable of coming up with a statistics that confirm their views, selected from some source somewhere.
I think the reasons for the public frustration is this lack of reasonable discussion. If the country would let Trump use his considerable energy to fight Chinese, Russians, and COVID instead of NYT front page, we would be in a much better place right now.January 7, 2021 10:25 pm at 10:25 pm #1936532
Always – “If the country would let Trump use his considerable energy to fight Chinese”
Don’t worry or fret. Our Next President is almost a member of the CCP! (That’s China in other words.)January 7, 2021 10:25 pm at 10:25 pm #1936531
RE -“How many people are being killed for not having enough food with your swim or sink mentality in this COVID environment?”
I’m not the one who decides Life & Death.
But you can’t Support a Gov. that is Openly Rebelling against Hashem, like the Demoncrats Nowadays!
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