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I was just reviewing the platforms of the Democratic Party and that of the Communist Party USA. What I found is not only are they strikingly similar, but they agree with each other on not only virtually all major issue but even on minor ones!
Well, Rahm Emmanuel was asked at his residence hearing whether he had ever been a member of the communist party.
myfriend is lying. Compare for yourself:
The are not the same but there are many times where they are similar, with the communists being a lot more radical.
myfriend – can you elaborate more? I think you will need more proof to make your point stick.
charliehall – what do have to say about the comment from Joe Sims?
myfriend (btw did you get that from McCain?),
You’re not the first one to make that observation, Joseph McCarthy already claimed the same but was shut up. As you see it here as well – the way the liberals comment – they just hide it under the rug and attempt to sort of destroy you (first the Fairness Doctrine now the web). Their tactics sometimes reminds me of the KGB. They censored Joe McCarthy and demonized him, and ever since, they quiet down anyone that makes the same observation. Read Ronald Reagan’s An American Life and you can grasp the idea; you can realize how those communists masquerade and blend in, to offer their radical “solutions.”
Whether Obama is a Marxist or not, isn’t clear. The facts are: He was had communist mentors (Frank Davis), he read Marxist literature, had/has many communists within his administration and according to some was even enrolled for a while in the Communist Party. Now, for the Democrats to elect someone like this with virtually no questions asked – is really troubling. It shows in what direction their party is going. Yet, they’ll attack Sarah Palin (and the GOP for harboring her) for her “radicalism.” Then they’ll attack you for citing such “radical and extreme” sources (such as YouTube videos with Joe Biden saying the truth about Barack Obama)…. RedState.com. Well, what I do know is that the census shows an exodus to the Red States – and for good reason.
“What percent of the Communist Party platform here does the Democrat Party disagree with”
I don’t know. There is no Democrat Party. There is a Democratic Party.
“They censored Joe McCarthy and demonized him”
As they should have. You defend a liar like him, whose motzi shem ra destroyed many careers? Shame!
“This is takn from “
You disingenously select items with widespread support. For example, consider the following:
CPA: Enforce nuclear non-proliferation, work to abolish nuclear weapons.
DNC: America will be safer in a world that is reducing reliance on nuclear weapons and ultimately eliminates all of them. We will make the goal of eliminating nuclear weapons worldwide a central element of U.S. nuclear weapons policy.
Ronald Reagan agreed!
So now that we have proven that Ronald Reagan must have been a Communist, I will now ask which of the points the alleged anti-Communists here oppose:
Do you support bank bailouts?
Do you think America’s infrastructure is not in need of substantial improvments?
Do you think that millions of Americans should be denied health insurance because of pre-existing conditions?
Do you think that employees’ rights to form unions should be eliminated?
Do you think that America’s educational system does not need improvement?
Do you think that Americans’ Social Security money should be invested in the casino known as Wall Street?
Do you think that the US government should not enforce laws against racial and religious discrimination?
Do you think that the government should ban all abortions, including those that are halachically mandated?
Do you think that the government should sit by and let people be denied their right to vote, as is happening to Jews in some upstate communities?
Do you think that the concentration of mass media ownership in a few hands is a good thing?
Do you think we should continue the war in Iraq indefinitely?
Do you really think climate change requires no action at all?
Do you disagree with Ronald Reagan regarding nuclear proliferation?
Do you support bank bailouts?
I don’t know enough about it.
Do you think America’s infrastructure is not in need of substantial improvments?
It is. I think it should be state funded.
Do you think that millions of Americans should be denied health insurance because of pre-existing conditions?
Yes.
Do you think that employees’ rights to form unions should be eliminated?
No. Neither should the secret ballot be eliminated through tricks like card check.
Do you think that America’s educational system does not need improvement?
It does. It needs an overhaul. We need to fire every teacher and hire teachers who will be accountable and competent. I don’t care what it costs.
Do you think that Americans’ Social Security money should be invested in the casino known as Wall Street?
Better than the Black hole known as the Social Security Trust fund. I think we should eliminate the program and just make a need based senior welfare program.
Do you think that the US government should not enforce laws against racial and religious discrimination?
By public entities- Yes, but only real discrimination, not made up garbage.
By private entities- No.
Do you think that the government should ban all abortions, including those that are halachically mandated?
Yes.
I don’t want them to, but I think they should.
Do you think that the government should sit by and let people be denied their right to vote, as is happening to Jews in some upstate communities?
No. Since when is this a partisan issue?
Do you think that the concentration of mass media ownership in a few hands is a good thing?
If there is an anti-trust violation, it should be prosecuted. Otherwise, no harm- no foul.
Do you think we should continue the war in Iraq indefinitely?
What kind of question is that? We should continue it as long as it serves our interests. Even if that is 100 years.
You think we should not continue if it serves our interests?
Do you really think climate change requires no action at all?
Yes. It is a scam. Historians will tell of past warming and cooling cycles that have been happening forever.
Do you disagree with Ronald Reagan regarding nuclear proliferation?
I never got this argument. We should prevent other countries from getting nuclear weapons, and we should continue to develop our own.
I don’t know. There is no Democrat Party. There is a Democratic Party.
He meant the Socialist (George McGovern)/ KKK (Robert Byrd) party. He couldn’t mention Democratic in the same line.
As they should have. You defend a liar like him, whose motzi shem ra destroyed many careers? Shame!
Motzi Shem Ra. 100%. But thousands of lives could’ve been saved in addition to protecting thousands of Jews. Charlie, I wish that the careers of Alger Hiss, Harry Dexter White, Lauchlin Currie, Laurence Duggan, Frank Coe, Solomon Adler, Klaus Fuchs, and Duncan Lee, among others, would’ve ended somewhat sooner. Had Joe have gotten his way, you probably wouldn’t have to give Reagan any credit for ending the Soviet barbarism. That would’ve elated the liberals like yourself – one less Republican hero. Maybe the START treaty would’ve never been enacted in the first place – with no Soviet atom bombs.
You disingenously select items with widespread support. For example, consider the following:
What about all others?
Ronald Reagan agreed!
No he didn’t! Neither do I. Ronald Reagan did it to stop the arms race and halt communist barbarism. He didn’t vouch for total elimination and abolishment and did it at a time of war. He also didn’t promote it at a time that many radical and evil regimes pursued it. The START treaty can and should be done – but the right way and at the right time. We ought to make sure that we stand strong and we don’t hand our defense over to those that build Iran’s nuclear reactors. Neither must we send the Russians the message that we’re weak. Pass the treaty – Just call it SALT III!
Do you support bank bailouts?
I don’t know enough about it.
CH> That was the single most important issue of the past 4 years.
Do you think America’s infrastructure is not in need of substantial improvments?
It is. I think it should be state funded.
CH> States don’t have the ability to do pay for them. Do you therefore think that the bridges, roads, and railroads should be abandoned as they crumble?
Do you think that millions of Americans should be denied health insurance because of pre-existing conditions?
Yes.
CH> You realize that you are condemning people — including some Jews — to an early death?
Do you think that employees’ rights to form unions should be eliminated?
No. Neither should the secret ballot be eliminated through tricks like card check.
CH> I’m happy with the secret ballot, but I’m not happy with current labor law that allows employers to delay such a secret ballot while systematically purging their workforces of employees believed to be supporting a union.
Do you think that America’s educational system does not need improvement?
It does. It needs an overhaul. We need to fire every teacher and hire teachers who will be accountable and competent. I don’t care what it costs.
CH> How large a tax increase are you willing to pay for it? To fire every teacher and hire superbly qualified teachers in today’s labor market probably means that salaries for teachers need to be about doubled.
Do you think that Americans’ Social Security money should be invested in the casino known as Wall Street?
Better than the Black hole known as the Social Security Trust fund. I think we should eliminate the program and just make a need based senior welfare program.
CH> Great! Millionaires don’t need Social Security any more than they need more tax cuts.
Do you think that the US government should not enforce laws against racial and religious discrimination?
By public entities- Yes, but only real discrimination, not made up garbage.
By private entities- No.
CH> Don’t complain then when you are fired for refusing to work on Shabat or for wearing a yarmulke, or if you are refused an apartment or a house by a landlord or seller. Jews have benefitted enormously from anti-discrimination laws.
Do you think that the government should ban all abortions, including those that are halachically mandated?
Yes.
I don’t want them to, but I think they should.
CH> Are you really a Torah Jew?
Do you think that the government should sit by and let people be denied their right to vote, as is happening to Jews in some upstate communities?
No. Since when is this a partisan issue?
CH> It shouldn’t be, but it has been made one by the people who posted here. Republicans are actively trying to disenfranchise qualified voters. One of the most eggregious examples have been upstate communities with many temporary residents who are Jews from New York who don’t vote the way the permanent residents want even though they own their second homes and pay high taxes. The law says that you can use a summer home as your voting address as long as you don’t vote twice. (In some places, such as Connecticut, you actually CAN vote in both places in local elections under some circumstances.)
Do you think that the concentration of mass media ownership in a few hands is a good thing?
If there is an anti-trust violation, it should be prosecuted. Otherwise, no harm- no foul.
CH> I agree.
Do you think we should continue the war in Iraq indefinitely?
What kind of question is that? We should continue it as long as it serves our interests. Even if that is 100 years.
You think we should not continue if it serves our interests?
CH> An endless war is not in the interests of the US. The wars in Afghanistan and Iraq are preventing us from doing anything about the real enemy, Iran.
Do you really think climate change requires no action at all?
Yes. It is a scam. Historians will tell of past warming and cooling cycles that have been happening forever.
CH> The world has gotten warmer. That is a fact. It is no scam.
Do you disagree with Ronald Reagan regarding nuclear proliferation?
I never got this argument. We should prevent other countries from getting nuclear weapons, and we should continue to develop our own.
CH> I objected to the guilt-by-association here and pointed out that Reagan’s position at the end of his term was identical to the CPUSA.
I can’t respond to 10 issues at a time. Anyway, we’ve spoken about most of them in the past, or will sometime in the future.
But, my response to the bank bailouts is that I do not understand the financial markets well enough to know what the need is and what the ramifications are. I assume it is beyond most Americans.
This is the kind of thing where I really just need to trust the experts, and hope that the people whose ideology I usually agree with are doing the right thing. I am suspicious of any laymen who has a strong opinion on this issue.
I will also mention that I can criticize the Democratic Party’s platform on its own demerits, and I don’t really care if it is similar to the commies, the socialists, or the National Socialists.
democrat:communist :: republican:theocrat
What are the rules for open plagiarism in the coffee room?
Because by remarkable coincidence, this sentence, including its misspelling “This is takn from the DNC Platform 2008 and compared against the Commmunist Party USA (CPA)” along with the rest of that post also appeared on Free Republic a year ago.
But for the fun of it here goes my attempt at comparing the two platforms. By my count two proposals are similar, and both parties believe some things that are either universal or really vague:
Meet the Needs of Working, Unemployed and Farm Families
– Raise the minimum wage to $12 an hour.
The 2008 Democratic platform would have had it indexed to minimum wage, but would have put it nowhere near $12 an hour
-Unemployment insurance for all workers.
This was in the Democratic platform, but UI should be self funding
– Moratorium on farm foreclosures
Nope. Nothing
– Labor law reform to remove barriers to workers who want to join a union.
Not Specific
– No privatization of Social Security. Increase benefits.
This is nonsense. There are lots of Democratic ideas that neither the Republican or Communist parties support. Does that make them the same?
– Universal prescription drug coverage administered by Medicare. Universal health care system.
Again, non-specific
– Restore social safety net. Welfare reform that includes job training, supports and living wages.
Who doesn’t support “welfare reform that includes job training?” Also, it’s not in the Democratic platform
– Full funding for equal, quality, bi-lingual public education. No vouchers.
The platform pointedly does not support equal bilingual education
Make Corporate Giants Pay
– Repeal tax cuts to the rich and corporations.
Not in the platform
– Close corporate tax loopholes.
Again, who doesn’t support this?
– Restitution to workers’ pensions.
Not even sure what this means, but if it means companies should honor their contractual obligations, than again this is pretty universal
– Strong regulation of financial industry.
Not specific. I imagine in 2008, this was also non-controversial. It’s unbelievable that it is now
– Regulation and public ownership of utilities
Not in platform
– Prosecute corporate polluters. Public works program to clean our air, water and land
Who opposes this?
– Aid to cities and states. Federally funded infrastructure repair and social service programs
Vague and universal
Foreign Policy for Peace and Justice
– No to war with Iraq – End military interventions
Nope. Dems favored “bringing it to a responsible close.”
– Repeal Fast Track and NAFTA, stop Free Trade Area of the Americas(FTAA). No secrecy.
Specifically not in the Democratic Platform
– Save Salt II Agreements, reject Star Wars and Nuclear Posture Review
Not in platform
– Abolish nuclear weapons
Certainly not
– End military interventions.
No
– Cut military budget and fund human needs.
No
Defend Democracy and Civil Rights
– End racial profiling.
Not in platform
– Repeal the death penalty.
No
– Enforce civil rights laws and affirmative action.
Enforcing laws is a pretty universal thing
– Repeal USA Patriot Act.
Explicitly not
– Legalization and protection of immigrant>rights.
Somewhat vague, but possibly in the both platforms
– Public financing of elections. Overall election law reform including Instant Runoff Voting.
Nope
– Youth and student bill of rights. Guarantee youth’s right to earn,learn and live.
Nope
mosheemes:
Maybe he wrote it there also.
“Black hole known as the Social Security Trust fund”
Social Security is real and real people have benefited from it.
However, the Trust fund is only an accounting gimmick.
A real Trust Fund can not consist of IOUs issued by the Trustee!!!
Even if the so called “Trust fund” did not exist benefits would still have to be paid out. It would be political suicide for any leader (socialist, democrat, republican or even tea party) to even hint that pay out is at risk.
It comes out that the so called “Trust fund” serves more to protect the rest of the government spending than it serves to protect the beneficiaries!!!
CH: Do you support bank bailouts?
CE: Define “bailout.” Do you mean lending money, to be repaid with interest? Sounds fairly reasonable, if it could be distributed equitably.
CH: Do you think America’s infrastructure is not in need of substantial improvements?
CE: Too bad we couldn’t find enough “shovel ready” projects that would really make a difference, but I’m sure the good citizens of Hartselle, AL (all 14,000 of them) are enjoying the WI-FI we gave them.
CH: Do you think that millions of Americans should be denied health insurance because of pre-existing conditions?
CE: I think the tax code should be rewritten to (among other things) level the playing field between individuals and businesses who buy health insurance. This would spur competition in the individual market. Also keep in mind that the only way to force insurance companies to cover all comers while still allowing them to make enough money to stay in business and continue paying claims is to force all Americans to buy health insurance. I believe this is unconstitutional.
CH: Do you think that employees’ rights to form unions should be eliminated?
CE: Unions have become as big bullies as the companies they claim to protect workers from. (Sorry, that was almost English.)
CH: Do you think that America’s educational system does not need improvement?
CE: There is no lack of money being spent on education; the real problem is that we’re not getting our money’s worth. Give parents vouchers and see how fast our national test scores improve, without spending a dime more than we already do.
CH: Do you think that Americans’ Social Security money should be invested in the casino known as Wall Street?
CE: It may seem safer in the mattress but historically, Wall Street is a good place to put your money. Assuming we (or rather, the Chinese who own us) don’t gut our capitalist economy …
CH: Do you think that the US government should not enforce laws against racial and religious discrimination?
CE: I’m not sure where you’re going with this. I think “hate crimes” are one of the worst things to come out of recent legislative sessions. If our criminal laws are insufficient to address the underlying actions, criminalizing intent is not going to help.
CH: Do you think that the government should ban all abortions, including those that are halachically mandated?
CE: I think it’s none of the government’s business. Yeah, I know, they’re trying to protect us.
CH: Do you think that the government should sit by and let people be denied their right to vote, as is happening to Jews in some upstate communities?
CE: Oooh, voter disenfranchisement – one of my favorite topics! First of all, the Electoral College institutionalizes disenfranchisement and it should be abolished. (I believe in the Constitution when it suits me, but at least I’m honest about it.)
Let’s talk specifics, though, like Florida Republicans running the clock after the 2000 presidential election, so, ooops, they couldn’t count all the votes.
There’s also the whole question of why felons are prohibited from voting for some period of time, possibly the rest of their lives, and related issues about the tendency to criminalize “black” behavior more strictly than we criminalize “white” behavior.
The “block vote” claim is fascinating because around here, “block” voters don’t outnumber registered non-block voters but they make it their business to show up at the polls. The non-block is jealous of our turnout so they try to knock us down rather than lift themselves up.
And by the way, the new NY voting machines are a huge step backwards!
CH: Do you think that the concentration of mass media ownership in a few hands is a good thing?
CE: I believe in a vigorous public discourse. Of course I think people should care enough to tune in but you can’t make them do anything … And yes, I put my money where my mouth is – I still pay for newspapers and I vote for the library budget every year because I believe in supporting an informed populace.
CH: Do you think we should continue the war in Iraq indefinitely?
CE: The only reason we’re there is because Bush II had to avenge Daddy’s failure to “finish the job” in the original Gulf War. Saddam Hussein was (assuming he really was hung) a very bad man but so are lots of other dictators. We should have supported the Iraqis (including the Kurds) who wanted to overthrow him, rather than making promises and leaving them to twist in the wind then coming in with a show of American force. And while we’re on the topic, it is an absolute disgrace that we have plenty of money for contractors (aka mercenaries) while our troops are lacking equipment. I don’t think we should be in Iraq or Afghanistan but as long as we are, we have an obligation to give our soldiers whatever it takes to get the job done (as if we could define it!) and get home safely.
CH: Do you really think climate change requires no action at all?
CE: I think we should all take action to minimize our impact on the planet, but I do not think we should give the government the authority to, for example, deploy mirrors in outer space. The arrogance you see in some of these scientific proposals is astounding. I would expect scientists of all people to recognize just how little we really know. It wasn’t that long ago that the experts claimed we were all going to freeze to death.
CH: Do you disagree with Ronald Reagan regarding nuclear proliferation?
CE: I’m very ambivalent about nukes. I don’t like them but I think we need them as a deterrent.
First of all, is there still a Communist Party in the USA – a credible one, that is? Someone should notice that the Soviet Union collapsed in 1991, that Eastern Europe was post-Communist about then, and that even “Communist” China has embraced a lot of free-market policies. Is someone trapped in a time-warp in the wrong century? Or do some people just have over-active imaginations?
Assuming that there is a serious CPUSA, has anybody come up with the logical idea – that the CPUSA is copying the platform of the Democratic Party – a legitimate political party – in order to gain credibility?
As CharlieHall points out, the Democratic platform is simple logic aimed at keeping the US from turning into an economic and societal cripple. The Communist Party is using this copycat tactic the way it did in Europe in previous generations. Read some old books on communist propaganda – this me-too ploy was a favorite.
And if you think Obama is a socialist – go read a book and find out what socialism is really about. No way to make that stretch. I lived on kibbutz in the old days – now there was socialism 🙂
even if the democrats are not communist, their liberal views are decidedly immoral and abominable in many areas
Even if you’re theory is correct, Midwest2, why do you think the Communist Party decided to copy the Democrats platform rather than another? Perhaps it is close to theirs?
In any event, yes, there is a Communist Party USA, and it is the same Communist Party that was formed in the US in 1919, was in the Soviet pay, subverted the US government, and still exists today.
Speaking of the Social Security Trust Fund;
I was told what happens when a yeshiva is given an endowment fund. It works like this:
See, it is very silly to give money and attach strings on how it is to be used. Presumably, the recipient knows how to run their business in the most efficient manner.
So, suppose you donate 100k to a trust fund. The yeshiva takes the money and invests it by lending it out at 10% interest. Since the yeshiva itself needs loans, they borrow it themselves from the trust fund. Every year, they pay 10k “interest” on the loan. The interest is income, which goes to the yeshiva.
You get it?
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