July 20, 2020 4:34 pm at 4:34 pm #18843011Participant
No, NY didn’t do it right. The reason why the numbers are down is because a lot of people already died. TX and FL haven’t been hit nearly as hard as NY and NJ. De Blasio was encouraging chinese new years parties when things were bad; pelosi was encouraging parades. Trump 2020. GOP down the ballot.July 20, 2020 5:50 pm at 5:50 pm #1884379Reb EliezerParticipant
Florida and Texas should learn from New York how to do it right.July 20, 2020 6:07 pm at 6:07 pm #1884408
do you mean sending covid positive patients to nursing homes to KILL THOUSANDS of elderly?!? Or maybe you mean not using the surplus of nurses that waited in NY hotels resulting in STARVING ELDERLY YIDDEN?!? Oh! Wait! Maybe you just mean not stopping people from destroying business and killing each other while sending yidden out of playgrounds.
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New York had the most deaths by far.
I really hope that Texas & Florida does not learn from NY (Unless it’s what not to do)July 20, 2020 6:46 pm at 6:46 pm #1884425som1Participant
reb eliezer – “Florida and Texas should learn from New York how to do it right.”
you an evil person if you want all the states to be like new york in regards to covid19July 20, 2020 6:47 pm at 6:47 pm #1884426
I am also curious why do you state Florida & Texas while leaving out California?July 20, 2020 7:09 pm at 7:09 pm #1884457Reb EliezerParticipant
Are people there to misunderstand me on purpose? NY made mistakes, so they can learn to avoid them. California included which is not in the OP.July 20, 2020 9:18 pm at 9:18 pm #1884484lowerourtuition11210Participant
Yes every state should be like NY……..hae a BliThering Idiot for Mayor of the largest city, a governor who looks in the mirror and says “Not me, it was Trump”.July 20, 2020 11:04 pm at 11:04 pm #1884509
I do not think that it takes learning from example to understand it’s unwise to send infected people back into old age homes.
It takes a modicum of common sense.July 20, 2020 11:29 pm at 11:29 pm #1884519
Nursing homes were completely unable to fend off the coronavirus in the beginning. This was due to lack of medical knowledge, lack of early preparedness, and most critically, a serious outage of testing. Right now, the same issue is starting to play out in Florida. The funding for tests for private health care facilities is set to expire this week.July 20, 2020 11:37 pm at 11:37 pm #1884522
How can you say the same issue is playing out? They don’t have the lack of knowledge or preparedness nor the lack of equipment. They aren’t sending positive patients back to the homes and because they are counting each test as a new case even tho they are multiple tests of the same person they don’t even have as many people sick as they claim. No comparison at all.July 21, 2020 12:18 am at 12:18 am #1884533
Same issue= Possible testing outage.
Sending positive patients back to the homes= It is national guidelines, so I assume they are.
Multiple tests of the same person= Are you part of the low numbers when it is this group, high numbers when it is that group mathematicians?
They don’t even have as many sick people as they claim= Who is they, and how sick are they claiming to be?
Just a general application of mathematics. When you play out the same potentials in large numbers again and again, you will roughly achieve the same raw results. The coronavirus is no different than a computer program. It will do what it is designed to do, no matter how people perceive it.July 21, 2020 12:29 am at 12:29 am #1884541
Nom- I don’t know why i find your posts so hard to follow. Nobody is stupid enough to send positive patients back to nursing homes. They are hardly releasing positive patients at all which is one of the reasons for all of the multiple tests.
The coronavirus is not a computer program. It is not being played out with the same numbers again and again because we have different treatments and protocols now. There is no similarity between the handling and treatment of patients now 2 then. Different number of hospitalization per positive cases does not compare and neither does the number of deaths per hospitalizations.July 21, 2020 1:10 am at 1:10 am #1884548
The issue here is, does the hospital have to make sure they are negative before they send them back. The nursing home can lose funding from the Cares Act if they deny patients. The CDC still maintains that there is no need to test patients before sending them to nursing homes. That is what New York followed until May 10. Virginia is still not testing residents being discharged back to nursing homes. Though Florida required two negative tests before being allowed back. You were right about that one. I will let you know if I find what else they do.July 21, 2020 1:12 am at 1:12 am #1884551
Different treatments will give a new result for the virus to play out in. That should take away an average of the other cases. It should not redefine the numbers. For example, if a medicine would prevent blood clotting and stop half the strokes in Covid patients, we should not see less patients being sick or less patients dying from pneumonia like symptoms. It is worth noting, that NY was not the only state with this policy, and it did not have the worst result. [That was NJ. Double Ny’s death rate.] And it is two months later, and the proof that this was bad policy is not (yet) glaring at us.
The difference in masks and social distancing would play out that we do not see a surge of cases. But the cases that we do see should be somewhat similar in every data set. Of course there will be differences, and they will be heavily analyzed. Then we find disparities that exist within the virus- much like code in a computer program. We should not find, that the virus in one state affects the young and spares the elderly,July 21, 2020 1:21 am at 1:21 am #1884554
I know what you are trying to say, but its not a computer program. Real life has too many variables. The oxygen exchange in the lungs was actually affected by mini clots so the blood thinners will also change those results. And monitoring o2 levels in people who *can* breathe wasn’t considered at the beginning of that pandemic but it’s known now so less people will end up becoming critical due to that. The plasma helps but it depends how potent the batch was and how many other issues the person has. You may be right that it shouldn’t change its profile by hitting the young instead of the old, but if a state has a high percentage of sick children due to a local hospital/rehab, you may see numbers that seem to indicate just that.July 21, 2020 3:40 pm at 3:40 pm #1884963
You are probably right on that. I did not think the example through. But the point is the same. The same potency of the virus will play out again and again and again. With time, we will be able to track most of the differences to see what helped and what harmed. And we will reach that understanding when the disparity of the number of infected/hospitalized/deaths meet the variables that were introduced differently in different places. [There will always be some phenomenon and accounts that will remain without an explanation. That is because we are humans and have limited control.] Getting back to Coumo, the virus that infected the nursing homes was the same as the virus everywhere else. The question is how it got there, and there is no clear answer. It seems to be a bad policy,yet it is still in effect. (But not in NY.) But it is not definitively a bad policy. And it is not clear from any data point if it was the cause for the large number of nursing home deaths. There is still a lot of data that needs to be explained. For example, NJ’s nursing homes were hit a lot harder than any other state. Almost double New York’s percentage of deaths. If there is political fallout from the pandemic, it should wait. Even for the President.
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