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  • #1575101

    whitecar
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    Personally my ideals for this country is, a country which allows hard work to be rewarded. in order to maximize that, you need less taxes and less regulations. Also the government should be focused on these 2 principles. Security and Safety nets for low or no income families and individuals. I would like to see the government spend tax money on maximum security and minimum safety net programs (so that you have a basic roof over your head, education, food and healthcare but only at a necessary minimum so that you live)

    The end game thats aimed with these basic principles is for a safe and prosperous country with a high quality of life.

    This ideology to reach that end game, just so happens to be very much in line with the Conservative Republican Ideology so therefore I choose to vote for that party!

    Democrats and Liberals, do you agree with that end game and you just happen to think there is a different route? Or do have an alternative to that idea.

    Ive only heard conservative ideas my whole life pretty much, but I like to keep an open mind. Please explain your desired end game and what your basic principles are (keep it short and to the point) and how those principles will deliver to your end game.

    Thank you, (please excuse my bad grammar and vocabulary)

    #1575122

    Reb Eliezer
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    Caring for workers underpaid, and caring for the poor not skilled in the jobs available, as in time of the gemora where people where supported from the tamche. Fighting against discrimination which protects the Jews from the same.

    #1575130

    Am A Liberal As in Early 19th century
    So invariably vote Conservative

    #1575142

    Avram in MD
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    whitecar,

    “Personally my ideals for this country is, a country which allows hard work to be rewarded. in order to maximize that, you need less taxes and less regulations.”

    Can you explain why that would be so?

    “Also the government should be focused on these 2 principles. Security and Safety nets for low or no income families and individuals. I would like to see the government spend tax money on maximum security and minimum safety net programs (so that you have a basic roof over your head, education, food and healthcare but only at a necessary minimum so that you live)”

    The idea of a social safety net that provides a roof over your head, education, food, and healthcare (!!) is certainly not a conservative one.

    “Democrats and Liberals, do you agree with that end game and you just happen to think there is a different route? Or do have an alternative to that idea.”

    I do not pigeonhole myself as either a Democrat or Republican. Both parties are conglomerations of people with various interests that are frequently not philosophically or logically consistent. I think the end game you state – safety and prosperity – is shared by everyone. The clashes occur over values – and both sides have merits and dangerous extremes. Conservatives tend to favor loyalty, authority, and purity, while liberals focus more on caring and fairness. Both value liberty.

    #1575146

    Reb Eliezer
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    Providing higher education, housing, skill training for jobs available, and health care for those who cannot afford it. Making sure that people can support themselves and make a living.

    #1575153

    whitecar
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    I guess my real question is, is that everything the US Goverment touches turns into garbage. I noticed that democrats it seems dont seem to care about any longterm policys in this country. They dont stop trying to give handouts to the havenots which encourages low productivity and tax those that work hard which also encourages them not to work hard. For example, if you have foodstamps, you should not be able to afford a $15 breakfast in bagel nosh. Now its the goverments job to make sure, but do they? Also a school funded by taxpayers are getting state of the art equipment, and redesigning the property with trees, why is that something that taxpayers have to cover? They (mainly Democrats it seems) have no accountability and they just want to expand. How can creativity survive in such a maze?

    Im all for saftey nets that is necessary but is seems to have gone to far. Goverment i noticed is like when Lazy Tatty decides he’ll babysit the kids for a day when mommy is out. Mommy comes back, the house and kitchen is a wreck and the kids are hungry and tired. This scenario i dont believe actually really exist but the anology doesn. Elected poloticions dont understand money or costs or buisness. Why cant people understand that, its right in front of your eyes?

    #1575167

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    Either they were conned by Roosevelt in the 1930s or they have a very negative view on the world.

    #1575177

    Avram in MD
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    whitecar,

    “I guess my real question is, is that everything the US Goverment touches turns into garbage.”

    I disagree. The Interstate Highway system, the GI Bill, Federal interventions that helped prevent the 2008 “Great Recession” from turning into a full-scale depression with widespread homelessness and hunger, the FDIC which protects your bank accounts, FHA which helps you get loans to buy a house, Social Security and Medicare which helps prevent poverty among the elderly, the National Weather Service, the military, etc. are all examples of extremely beneficial Federal programs.

    “I noticed that democrats it seems dont seem to care about any longterm policys in this country. “

    Again, I disagree. Environmental and Financial regulatory policies are attempts to maintain American prosperity in the future. You may disagree with the policies proposed, but they certainly reflect long-term thinking.

    “For example, if you have foodstamps, you should not be able to afford a $15 breakfast in bagel nosh.”

    Unfortunately, not everyone who buys a $15 breakfast in Bagel Nosh can really afford the $15 breakfast in Bagel Nosh. Programs like SNAP (food stamps have been replaced) are based on income, not the wisdom of the financial decisions of the recipients.

    “Now its the goverments job to make sure, but do they?”

    It’s the government’s job to reduce waste and fraud, sure. But do you want the government regulating people’s personal financial choices? I thought you were against excessive regulation and for personal freedom.

    “Also a school funded by taxpayers are getting state of the art equipment, and redesigning the property with trees, why is that something that taxpayers have to cover?”

    The Federal government is not paying for landscaping at schools. Schools are primarily funded at the local (municipality or county/parish) level, with additional funding and regulations from the state and Federal governments. Additionally, a lot of “extras” that schools have come via donations from rich alumni. If you don’t like how schools in your area are run, then run for your local school board. That’s where the biggest differences are made.

    “Elected poloticions dont understand money or costs or buisness. Why cant people understand that, its right in front of your eyes?”

    If you think you’re so much smarter than your elected officials, then run for office!

    #1575181

    jackk
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    whitecar –
    ‘Also a school funded by taxpayers are getting state of the art equipment, and redesigning the property with trees, why is that something that taxpayers have to cover? ‘
    Funding Public Schools is a local issue. Property taxes pay for most of the cost of public schools. Although public schools get a very small percentage of their funding from donations and parent and student fundraising efforts, by far the greatest proportion of the money comes from state and local governments.
    If you live in a wealthy community, you want the school to give a better education, have modern devices with a beautiful campus. Public schools are probably the best investment of property taxes there is.
    How is this connected to Democrats, Republicans or Liberals ?

    #1575189

    whitecar
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    Democrats are in favor of higher property taxes

    #1575442

    jackk
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    whitecar – We have discussed this before. Democrats do not favor higher taxes. That is not part of the party platform. You are using a slur that the Republicans use against Democrats to justify themselves.
    Do you know how much the wars that a Republican president (Bush) started has cost the USA? It is in the trillions. Who is paying for it? You. I am not discussing the merits of the war, just that it is hypocritical to blame all higher taxes on Democrats.

    #1575346

    Amil Zola
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    Whitecar, you seem to live in a very black and white world. Funding local public schools is benefit to society and the community at large. Because I don’t live in your black and white world our community supports school funding via the tax base regardless of party. The impact on homeowners is mitigated by the large tax base in my community (manufacturing, research,service sector, retail etc. )

    #1575727

    Yserbius123
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    Both Republicans and Democrats, Conservatives, and Liberals, have their ma’alos and chesronos. If you can’t see the ma’alas in the secular ideologies you don’t agree with, you’re just being close minded.

    Sure it would be nice if the world worked in ideals. Where you can just get of your tush and work and receive money as a direct result of that. But the unfortunate matter is that no matter how hard you work, sometimes Hakadosh Baruch Hu will just knock you down again and again, saddling a person with unsustainable debt. And some people are born in less fortunate situations. Where their parents have no money, so they have no way of receiving a proper education required for any job better than flipping burgers. Of course there’s also Big Business, the great boogeyman of the Liberal. Fact of the matter is that the do exist terrible rich people that will take advantage of poor people, often leaving them with no option.

    As for Liberals, they have to realize that Communism is a failed experiment and throwing money at poor people doesn’t improve anything.

    #1575772

    whitecar
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    Thank you @avram in md

    #1575987

    Yserbiuis,
    It is only by and large correct regarding
    economics and perhaps climate change

    For the primary issues it is False
    Either There is a Right And Wrong
    And that obligates all of us
    or there isn’t

    #1576024

    whitecar
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    When it came to economics Bill Clinton was cery responsible for long term goal. I guess im judging the democrats kf Obamas Era

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