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I live in a yishuv (occupied territory 😉 ) in E”Y, and have recently been very very shocked by some news I heard… there is a family in the neighboring yishuv called Eli (with an ayin, after Eli HaKohen), whose father bravely sacrificed himself in 1982 in the war in Lebanon, lying on a grenade to save his comrades. And now the government wants to destroy his widow and children’s house!
Whether you believe in the medina or not, this is a GRAVE injustice… let’s see some of the issurim the “Israeli” government is oiver…
1. Paining a widow
2. Paining orphans
3. Setting a michshol before an iver (in the past people who witnessed destructions have been so traumatized they stopped believing in Hashem, Hashem Yeracheim this won’t happen again)
4. Giving away land in Eretz Yisroel (See Maseches Avodah Zorah)
Let’s see if we can come up with more… and the ironic thing is… People can actually say that the government is appointed by Hashem mashmoh that the mamlochoh is kodesh, mashmoh that we need follow them. How can you say that this otzos reshoim (except for a few people, but majority are leftist seculars intent on appeasing US and World) that calls itself the Israeli government is kodesh? Dina dimalchusoh dina only in golus people! In E”Y B”H Torah should rule supreme and not mortal, whose heart can turn to bad, and who can be afraid, but if we trust in Hashem and not in mortal man, then maybe Hashem will be merocheim on us and spare us from all tzoros. All Yidden in the world should daven and be active in campaining aginst, sending emails to, and protesting for the sake of their persecuted brethren in Yehudah and Shomron.
Col Tuv, Dovid
First off, why do you think that people living in E”Y are not in galus? We are all in galus until Mashiach comes, whether living in E”Y or not.
I do think the government is appointed by Hashem, as are all world governments. I don’t think they’re holy, at least not more so than any Jew is holy (which is pretty holy!) Most of them probably fall into the category of tinok shenishba.
I don’t attribute any holiness to the Israeli government essentially for the reasons you list as well as a few others. I view them as a secular government that happens to be mostly comprised of Jews. That being said, they are better than the alternative. Were it not for a Jewish government in charge, you probably would not have the privilege of living in EY at all, much less in a yishuv. Be grateful that any Jew who wants to can come to EY with far less hassle than they would encounter going anywhere else; be grateful that you have the privilege of living in a dominant Jewish society where, despite all the secularism, our holidays are the national holidays and Shabbos is a day off. Do you realize what it means not to have to explain to your boss why you need to leave early on Fridays and why you need to take approximately 2 weeks worth of leave every year for various holidays? You can walk around in August in a black hat or a long skirt and tichel and nobody thinks you’re weird. Be grateful that in December, you don’t have to shield your kids from the fat man in the red suit. Be grateful that you can daven in dozens of the holiest places there are pretty much whenever you please. None of this would be possible without Jews in charge, even if those Jews sometimes do bad things or hurt frum interests. My husband and I hope and pray that we will have the zchus to permanently move there in the next couple of years (if Moshiach doesn’t come before then). You are incredibly lucky to already have that zchus, and you should acknowledge that the Israeli government, upsetting as they may be at times, has a significant hand in that.
Dvorak, well said, although I didn’t appreciate your calling me a fat man in a red suit.
isn’t this the story that just happened in this past war with ro’i klein?
Dear Dovid,
While I agree with your sentiments, you are fighting a battle in the wrong arena. The vast majority of readers here (apologies to Dvorak)are more than thrilled to belittle your idealisitc lifestyle, living in Yesha. They are thrilled to knock the Israeli government and the very idea of a Jewish State, and to remind you that you are in golus (do you feel like you are in Flatbush? I doubt it). Your admirable efforts on behalf of Roi Klein HY”D ‘s family would best be done at home, where people understand where you are coming from. The Flatbush/Lakewood/Monsey et al. crowd has no clue who Roi Klein was and what he meant to people like you and me.
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The Israeli government does good for themselves and we as a side point benifit. Almost nothing that they do is for the Orthodox community unless the orthodox community doesn’t give them a choice.
We would be much better off if it was in the hands of people who believe in the Torah.
Just like any politician does somethings which benifit everyone, they do things which benifit everyone.
I don’t think there is what to be gr8ful for. We pay taxes, they represent us whether we like it or not if we want to live here. If we had the option, the frum community could do just as good of a job.
The government is oveir issurim regularly. It is a secular government run by those who aren’t shomrei torah umitzvos. however, the soldiers are protecting yidden. Soldiers MUST follow every order given, or the army falls apart, and it puts jewish lives in danger.
Or better yet, don’t join the Hellenistic government’s Hellenistic army.
Once you refuse an order, the army falls part, and you might as well surrender now.
To Jothar,
So any army needs to follow orders from their higher-up even when they do the wrong thing?
Well the Nazis y’s under Hitler y’s as well as all the soldiers in history that harmed the Jews under the direct orders of their superiors,can use that excuse.
(please no one post any blogs bashing me why I’m comparing the Israeli army to the Nazis-I’m not- I’m just bringing out a point)
THROWING JEWS OUT OF THEOR HOMES IS DISGUSTING AND ATROCIOUS!
Some Jews never see the wrong that they do untill you compare it to the actions of Non-Jews and by that I mean “what would we thimk if the French government were to throw Jews out of their homes to make place for Frenchman or Muslims ?” wouldn’t we think of them as anti-semites and the Israeli gov would be the first to bash the French.
Well just cause the Israeli gov is run by Jews doesnt mean they can act anti Jewish.
E”Y is holy, the government is not. The only way to ensure that the government will be holy is to a) vote in frum people who are ehrliche, and b)do our hishtadlus to bring about the coming of Moshiach. I am not sure which will be harder to accomplish.
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