November 19, 2010 3:11 pm at 3:11 pm #593128GetzelParticipant
The Muslims want to wipe the Jews off the face of the earth — wow, what a difference that would make….
DIFFERENCES BETWEEN JEWS AND MUSLIMS.
I thought you would be interested in reading this… (What a contrast!)
How could the picture be ‘painted’ any more vividly? not including even Frum Jews
The Global Islamic population is approximately 1,200,000,000
ONE BILLION TWO HUNDRED MILLION or 20% of the world’s population.
They have received the following Nobel Prizes:
1988 – Najib Mahfooz
1978 – Mohamed Anwar El-Sadat
1990 – Elias James Corey
1994 – Yaser Arafat:
1999 – Ahmed Zewai
1960 – Peter Brian Medawar
1998 – Ferid Mourad
TOTAL: 7 SEVEN
The Global Jewish population is approximately 14,000,000.
Only FOURTEEN MILLION or about 0.02% of the world’s population.
They have received the following Nobel Prizes:
1910 – Paul Heyse
1927 – Henri Bergson
1958 – Boris Pasternak
1966 – Shmuel Yosef Agnon
1966 – Nelly Sachs
1976 – Saul Bellow
1978 – Isaac Bashevis Singer
1981 – Elias Canetti
1987 – Joseph Brodsky
1991 – Nadine Gordimer World
1911 – Alfred Fried
1911 – Tobias Michael Carel Asser
1968 – Rene Cassin
1973 – Henry Kissinger
1978 – Menachem Begin
1986 – Elie Wiesel
1994 – Shimon Peres
1994 – Yitzhak Rabin
1905 – Adolph Von Baeyer
1906 – Henri Moissan
1907 – Albert Abraham Michelson
1908 – Gabriel Lippmann
1910 – Otto Wallach
1915 – Richard Willstaetter
1918 – Fritz Haber
1921 – Albert Einstein
1922 – Niels Bohr
1925 – James Franck
1925 – Gustav Hertz
1943 – Gustav Stern
1943 – George Charles de Hevesy
1944 – Isidor Issac Rabi
1952 – Felix Bloch
1954 – Max Born
1958 – Igor Tamm
1959 – Emilio Segre
1960 – Donald A. Glaser
1961 – Robert Hofstadter
1961 – Melvin Calvin
1962 – Lev Davidovich Landau
1962 – Max Ferdinand Perutz
1965 – Richard Phillips Feynman
1965 – Julian Schwinger
1969 – Murray Gell-Mann
1971 – Dennis Gabor
1972 – William Howard Stein
1973 – Brian David Josephson
1975 – Benjamin Mottleson
1976 – Burton Richter
1977 – Ilya Prigogine
1978 – Arno Allan Penzias
1978 – Peter L. Kapitza
1979 – Stephen Weinberg
1979 – Sheldon Glashow
1979 – Herbert Charles Brown
1980 – Paul Berg
1980 – Walter Gilbert
1981 – Roald Hoffmann
1982 – Aaron Klug
1985 – Albert A. Hauptman
1985 – Jerome Karle
1986 – Dudley R. Herschbach
1988 – Robert Huber
1988 – Leon Lederman
1988 – Melvin Schwartz
1988 – Jack Steinberger
1989 – Sidney Altman
1990 – Jerome Friedman
1992 – Rudolph Marcus
1995 – Martin Perl
2000 – Alan J. Heeger
1970 – Paul Anthony Samuelson
1971 – Simon Kuznets
1972 – Kenneth Joseph Arrow
1975 – Leonid Kantorovich
1976 – Milton Friedman
1978 – Herbert A. Simon
1980 – Lawrence Robert Klein
1985 – Franco Modigliani
1987 – Robert M. Solow
1990 – Harry Markowitz
1990 – Merton Miller
1992 – Gary Becker
1993 – Robert Fogel
1908 – Elie Metchnikoff
1908 – Paul Erlich
1914 – Robert Barany
1922 – Otto Meyerhof
1930 – Karl Landsteiner
1931 – Otto Warburg
1936 – Otto Loewi
1944 – Joseph Erlanger
1944 – Herbert Spencer Gasser
1945 – Ernst Boris Chain
1946 – Hermann Joseph Muller
1950 – Tadeus Reichstein
1952 – Selman Abraham Waksman
1953 – Hans Krebs
1953 – Fritz Albert Lipmann
1958 – Joshua Lederberg
1959 – Arthur Kornberg
1964 – Konrad Bloch
1965 – Francois Jacob
1965 – Andre Lwoff
1967 – George Wald
1968 – Marshall W. Nirenberg
1969 – Salvador Luria
1970 – Julius Axelrod
1970 – Sir Bernard Katz
1972 – Gerald Maurice Edelman
1975 – Howard Martin Temin
1976 – Baruch S. Blumberg
1977 – Roselyn Sussman Yalow
1978 – Daniel Nathans
1980 – Baruj Benacerraf
1984 – Cesar Milstein
1985 – Michael Stuart Brown
1985 – Joseph L. Goldstein
1986 – Stanley Cohen (& Rita Levi-Montalcini)
1988 – Gertrude Elion
1989 – Harold Varmus
1991 – Erwin Neher
1991 – Bert Sakmann
1993 – Richard J. Roberts
1993 – Phillip Sharp
1994 – Alfred Gilman
1995 – Edward B. Lewis
TOTAL: 129 ONE HUNDRED TWENTY NINE!
The Jews are NOT promoting brain washing children in military training camps, teaching them how to blow themselves up and cause maximum deaths of Jews and other non Muslims!
The Jews don’t hijack planes, nor kill athletes at the Olympics, or blow themselves up in German restaurants. There is NOT one single Jew that has destroyed a church. There is NOT a single Jew that protests by killing people.
The Jews don’t traffic slaves, nor have leaders calling for Jihad and death to all the Infidels.
Perhaps the world’s Muslims should consider investing more in standard education and less in blaming the Jews for all their problems.
Muslims must ask ‘what can they do for humankind’ before they demand that humankind respects them!!
Regardless of your feelings about the crisis between Israel and the Palestinians and Arab neighbors, the following two sentences really say it all:
-Benjamin NetanyahuNovember 21, 2010 2:31 am at 2:31 am #711198
Here we go again. This list is missing a lot of Muslim Nobel Prize winners. Here are just a few:
Abdus Salam (Physics, 1979)
Shirin Ebadi (Peace, 2003) (She is an Iranian currently in exile for her opposition to the despotic regime there.)
Muhammad ElBaradei (Peace, 2005)
Muhammad Yunus (Peace, 2006) (He is actually an economist.)
Orhan Pamuk (Literature, 2006)
Also, Ahmed Zewail (not Zewai) won the prize for Chemistry, not Peace, in 1999.
This thread should be closed and lies like this should be banned from the site. It discredits us.November 21, 2010 2:41 am at 2:41 am #711199popa_bar_abbaParticipant
Well Charlie, to discredit it totally, why don’t you post the full list of Moslem recipients.November 21, 2010 3:23 am at 3:23 am #711200
charlie you forgot OBAMA as someone that got the nobel peace prize 😉 but seriously that’s the reason why this thread should be closed b/c the nobel prize means nothing anymore (at least in regard to peace)November 21, 2010 3:28 am at 3:28 am #711201HaKatanParticipant
Charlie, the numbers are still a staggering contrast even with the 5 you added. And it would take many more to make it even close considering the vast proportional difference in total population numbers.
So let’s not be disingenuous.November 21, 2010 3:38 am at 3:38 am #711202tzippiMember
I’m not enamored of these kinds of lists because yeah, it shows, how over the last century we Jews were into bettering the world, but there’s a lot more to our history, and a lot more to who we are now. Not to mention the fact that sometimes unworthy people can win these prizes too.
But anyway, to paraphrase a joke, if you don’t know the difference I’m not sending you grocery shopping.November 21, 2010 4:30 am at 4:30 am #711204AinOhdMilvadoParticipant
The ikar point is…
It would NOT matter if they won hundreds of Nobel prizes and we won zero.
We are not in a competition for Nobel prizes with yishmaelim.
The Torah calls yishmaelim “pereh-adam” for good reason.
As Rav Meir Kahane zatzvk”l said…
“One of the great problems with Americans is that – being a decent people – they assume that everyone else is equally decent.”
Sadly, America, the world, and even MANY Jews, still don’t get it.November 21, 2010 5:33 am at 5:33 am #711205
I can’t believe that people are justifying lies.
How about a list of observant orthodox Jewish Nobel Prize winners? There may be more religious Muslims to have won Nobel Prizes than religious Jews.November 21, 2010 6:09 am at 6:09 am #711206Ragachovers AssistantMember
You forgot to mention Ernest B. Chain who shared the Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine 1945 with Sir Alexander Fleming, Ernst B. Chain, Sir Howard Florey
Fleming would have never discovered penicilin without Ernest B. Chain.
Ernest B. Chain was a member of the famous
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Who were Geonim Adirim.November 21, 2010 6:11 am at 6:11 am #711207
Whats the purpose of this thread?
We should be proud of our spiritual achievements. Forget the nobel peace prizes. How about the fact that we taught the concept of morality and monotheism to the world? We gave the world a conscience.November 21, 2010 6:15 am at 6:15 am #711208Ragachovers AssistantMember
Also you forgot to mention a number of Jews who won the “Fields” prize in mathematics:
The Fields Medals are commonly regarded as mathematics’ closest analog to the Nobel Prize (which does not exist in mathematics), and are awarded every four years by the International Mathematical Union to one or more outstanding researchers. “Fields Medals” are more properly known by their official name, “International medals for outstanding discoveries in mathematics.”November 21, 2010 7:52 am at 7:52 am #711209shlomozalmanMember
I agree with Charlie Hall. Nevertheless, it is heartwarming that YWN is willing to acknowledge the inherent value of a Nobel Prize.November 21, 2010 12:55 pm at 12:55 pm #711210so rightMember
SZ: What “inherent value” of the Yasir Arafat Piece Prize?November 21, 2010 2:27 pm at 2:27 pm #7112122qwertyParticipant
You would need 85 muslims to win for every one win from an orthodox jew. And Im pretty sure there is at least one orthodox jew on that list.
However I agree that such comparisons are childish.November 21, 2010 6:19 pm at 6:19 pm #711213
The terribly inaccurate list does not include the most famous of all Orthodox Jews to have recently won a Nobel Prize: Dr. Robert Aumann, who shared the Economics prize in 2005. They actually delayed the start of the ceremony until the end of Shabat for him. Not only is he frum; he is a graduate of the Rabbi Jacob Joseph Yeshiva!
Rosalyn Sussman Yalow was a physicist who won the Nobel Prize in Medicine in 1977. (The inaccurate list misspelled her name.) She was a long time member of an Orthodox synagogue in the Bronx that I often attend. The social hall there is named for her. Her father in law was an Orthodox rabbi.November 22, 2010 12:52 am at 12:52 am #711214frumladygitMember
Bottom line is, whether we are talking about Bukharians or Chinese or arabs, vs. Jews is A GOY IS A GOY. You will never see voluntary deeds done by them especially Arabs such as building hospitals, institutions to help people, etc. as the Yidden do. Just look at Bikkur Cholim alone. Would you ever see such an operation in Jordan or Saudi Arabia? You only see them destroying as the malach who told Hagar that Yishmael will be a wild a** of a man, his hand against everyone etc…November 22, 2010 3:36 am at 3:36 am #7112152qwertyParticipant
Bukharians are mostly Jewish.November 22, 2010 4:26 am at 4:26 am #711216Dave HirschParticipant
Charlie, if you are ever to receive a nobel prize, would you want to be on the Jewish list or Muslim list? Your posts suggest the latter…November 22, 2010 9:38 am at 9:38 am #711217HaLeiViParticipant
Dave, you might be angry at charlyhall for his sin of being a Democrat, but he didn’t mention anything about the Arabs being better than anyone. He doesn’t like watching people falling for garbage propaganda, and neither do I.November 22, 2010 5:31 pm at 5:31 pm #711218
Want to hear something a bit profound?
In my opinion, the main difference between Jews (frum Jews) and Muslims (frum Moslims) is that at its essence, Islam glorifies death and the greatest achievement a Muslim can attain is Martyrdom. On the other hand Yiddishkiet is the polar opposite, yes its a huge mitzvah to die al kiddush Hashem but the greatest achievement for a Yid is to live al kiddush Hashem, Vchai Bahem (vlo Sheyamus Bahem) Uvacharta Bachayim. We glorify life. Chayei Oilum Nota Besoicheinu. Judaism is all about life!November 22, 2010 10:50 pm at 10:50 pm #711219HaLeiViParticipant
In what sense are we the same that there has to be a discussion about how we are different. What’s the difference between a toothpick and a kangaroo?November 22, 2010 11:43 pm at 11:43 pm #711220Dave HirschParticipant
HaLeivi, I, actually, admire many democrats and have been influenced by many of them. I don’t consider the fact that a person can express his opinion and vote that way, a sin. However, I do consider someone that hates others’ opinions for unfound reasons, a sinner; liberals tend to do just that. Someone compiled a nice and creative list that highlights the differences between the ‘Am Hanivchar’ and the ‘Pere Adam’. Obviously, some of us didn’t like that idea. But to demand that he be shut up? That is liberalism!November 23, 2010 1:00 am at 1:00 am #711221EloQuint5Member
An email forward like this (because that’s what the article smells like) only promotes hate. I’m not advocating loving Muslims but putting all Muslims in one category like that implies that all Muslims have the same beliefs. Just like all Umos Haolam, there are good Arabs and there are unfortunately terrorists. Yes, majority of terrorists are Muslims but not the majority of Muslims are terrorists. And the main difference between Jews and Muslims is that Islam is a religion and the Judaism is what ties us together as a nation.
BTW, it was Golda Meir who quoted “If all Arabs…”November 23, 2010 1:19 am at 1:19 am #711222RSRHMember
WIY: Despite what popular Western conceptions of Islam may suggest, the greatest achievement a Muslim can achieve is not to die a martyr. In Islam, martyrdom is desirable only under specific conditions (i.e., when Muslim communities are under threat of attack by non-Muslims, or when the Umma – the Muslim equivalent to the Promised Land is occupied and governed by non-Muslims). Even under these conditions, there are many rules of Islamic law that govern when martyrdom is appropriate.
I dont know if the mods will let this post through (they don’t seem to have posted my last comment mentioning some similarities between our own practices and those of Muslims), but I hope they do.
I am writing this based on my own knowledge of Islamic law, which I have studied quite a bit (I think its best to fully understand other peoples, especially those that we have difficulties with, and especially those whose beliefs and practices are nuanced, complex, very old, and easily distorted and simplified by propaganda). My point here is not to justify or defend the actions of many Muslims. Rather, I hope to point out that if we want to deal with a problem, its best not to demonize it, simplify it, and then rest our proposed solutions on false understandings of what we face. It is far better to try to understand the nuanced reality of Islamic belief and practice, so that we can honestly evaluate where we stand and how we can deal with these issues.
Ok, here come the attacks (except perhaps from charliehall)November 23, 2010 2:10 am at 2:10 am #711223
In Islam, martyrdom is desirable only under specific conditions (i.e., when Muslim communities are under threat of attack by non-Muslims, or when the Umma – the Muslim equivalent to the Promised Land is occupied and governed by non-Muslims).
this can only hold true for Israel, or Iraq or Afghanistan, this wouldn’t be able to support terrorism in other countries i.e. Times square (even if you want to include America it’s only officers stationed in Iraq or Afghanistan)November 23, 2010 2:29 am at 2:29 am #711224
I dont know…September 11 had Muslims all over the world (especially local communities in NYC) celebrating they were quite happy with the death and destruction…and martyrdom and whatever else.
Yes you are right theres more to their religion. Cutting off hands for stealing. Treating women worse than excrement. Beating their wives mercilessly for the most insignificant “crimes”…Ill find you some more of their holy mitzvos shortly…bli neder.November 23, 2010 2:55 am at 2:55 am #711225GetzelParticipant
Sorry not all names of jews were mentioned. And yes this is not my list but a email I receivedNovember 23, 2010 3:10 am at 3:10 am #711226popa_bar_abbaParticipant
I have not studied Islam. I don’t know the five pillars of Islam, and I don’t know the significance of the Kabbaa.
Nonetheless, I do know what the Moslems are doing, because I do study the world. It is clear that Jihad is the driving force in Islam today, and that the majority of Moslems support it. It is clear that martyrdom is seen as the ultimate sacrifice to Allah in this Jihad.
So, I’m not sure what you’re trying to say. I don’t care if the Moslems have Islam wrong. I have nothing against Islam, only against Moslems; is that better?November 23, 2010 4:14 am at 4:14 am #711230so rightMember
charlie: you should ask the mods to add a subtitle to your name of “muslim apologist”. actually it could be made more generic as “gentile apologist”.
Dying al kiddish Hashem IS the highest thing to which a Jew can aspire. But that dying comes from being murdered by a gentile; NOT by murdering a gentile via suicide.November 23, 2010 4:31 am at 4:31 am #711231
And remember that we honor those who die al kiddush HaShem. I have even heard shiurim by rabbonim saying that that is the highest thing to which a Jew can aspire.
you should be ashamed of yourself charlie!!! comparing jews that die Al Kiddush Hashem to arabs that kill in the name of G-d one is a proactive role one is an active roleNovember 23, 2010 5:59 am at 5:59 am #711232
“I think RSRH is correct. And remember that we honor those who die al kiddush HaShem. I have even heard shiurim by rabbonim saying that that is the highest thing to which a Jew can aspire.”
You are likely referring to rabbi Akiva and the Asara Heirugei Malchus where Rabbi Akiva was smiling while reciting Shema as the Romans brutally combed his flesh off his body, so his students asked him how could he smile? So he told his students “I waited my whole life to be Mekayem To love Hashem with all my heart and with all my soul (nafshecha) now that I get that opportunity I shouldnt smile?”
But in essence we dont want to die. We dont ask Hashem please send non Jews to kill us so we can die Al Kiddush Hashem. The greatest accomplishment a Jew can achieve is living like a Jew keeping the Torah and growing in Torah and Mitzvah observance. Living with mesiras nefesh and not allowing himself to get lost in the Tayvos and materialism of America. We dont “want” to die. We want to live and do Mitzvos!!!
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