difference between “stama” and “safek”
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October 18, 2017 12:55 pm at 12:55 pm #1385276
The mechaber says YD 141:1
כָּל הַצְּלָמִים שֶׁל עֲבוֹדַת כּוֹכָבִים הַנִּמְצָאִים בַּכְּפָרִים, אֲסוּרִים, דִּסְתָמָא לְשֵׁם עֲבוֹדַת כּוֹכָבִים נַעֲשׂוּ. וְהַנִּמְצָאִים בַּכְּרַכִּים, מֻתָּרִים, דְּוַדַּאי לְנוֹי נַעֲשׂוּ,
The Shach there discusses difference between a “stam” statue and a statue on which there is a safek.
I dont understand the difference, can someone please explain
Thank youOctober 18, 2017 1:08 pm at 1:08 pm #1385303TASParticipant
I don’t know this subject so well, but stama generally means that we can assume that it is use for A”Z, while safek means that we have a doubt. The Shach is saying that since it is the regular way of villages to create their statues for A”Z, we have to assume that it was built in this village for A”Z as well. However, it is the normal way for cities to build the statues for beauty. Therefore, we can assume that it was not used for A”Z and we don’t even have a doubt about it. However, if in the village case, there is a reason to doubt if the statue was built for beauty or A”Z, we are machimir and treat it like A”Z. I hope that this is helpful.October 18, 2017 3:33 pm at 3:33 pm #1385968
Got it thanks for your help
I think Stama means more likely than not ie ordinarily, and safek means 50/50October 18, 2017 7:35 pm at 7:35 pm #1386554TASParticipant
Your welcome. You got it.October 18, 2017 7:42 pm at 7:42 pm #1386563
I think Stama means more likely than not ie ordinarily, and safek means 50/50
I don’t know if I would quite phrase it that way…
Stama refers to case where there’s a likelihood which allows us to make an assumption (stama is the assumption); safek means we remain in doubt.October 18, 2017 8:22 pm at 8:22 pm #1386583
Thats how I first understood it but had soem trouble with the shach
He starts out by makign a diyuk when found in a village between Stama ( assumed for AZ so assur) and safek which would be muttar.
What is the case of safek as opposed to stama. Both would mean statues found in villages that we dont know their status?
Unless the extrapolation is to other cases ie non-village non-cities where thiere is no stama case those are the safek?October 18, 2017 10:14 pm at 10:14 pm #1386632
There are two cases of not knowing – where certain factors allow us to make an assumption (stama) and where we must remain in doubt (safek).
The safek case would presumably be where it’s neither in a kfar or a crach (as you suggest).October 18, 2017 10:43 pm at 10:43 pm #1386638
thanks for your helpOctober 19, 2017 7:59 am at 7:59 am #1386745
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