December 31, 2012 5:17 pm at 5:17 pm #607639Charles ShortMember
Why are Sephardim discriminated against?December 31, 2012 5:31 pm at 5:31 pm #916604
They aren’t.December 31, 2012 8:09 pm at 8:09 pm #916605neeneeMember
That’s crazy. Sephardim are the bestDecember 31, 2012 8:24 pm at 8:24 pm #916606
Because Ashkenzic Chiloni felt that the Sephardim were of a lower class of people and Ashkenazic Rabbis felt that Sephardic Rabbis are not of the same stock as the European RabbisDecember 31, 2012 8:35 pm at 8:35 pm #916607
The latter half of your run-on sentence, zahavasdad, is a falsehood.December 31, 2012 8:37 pm at 8:37 pm #916608akupermaParticipant
1. In America, they aren’t. The fanciest American Jews are Sefardi (cf. Shearith Israel in Manhattan).
2. In Israel, only some Sefardim are discriminated against. The people who rule Israel are secular Europeans who want Israel to be a secular version of a modern west European country (non-ethnic, non-Jewish, with “freedom from religion”). Even Sefardim who aren’t super-frum are still very Jewish, and thus are quite undesirable from a zionist perspective. Some Sefardim who have managed to give up (or appear to give up) all trace of Jewishness can make it into the Israeli elite.
3. Among frum communities, the differences are rapidly shrinking as strict Torah observance “trumps” ethnicity. Various religious practices and accents get mashed up, and many Sefardim end up learning in Ashkenazi yeshivos, and the Sefardi yeshivos have rebuilt themselves on Ashkenazi models. Based on current trends, while the Yiddish-speaking Ashkenzi may stay distinct (for linguistic reasons), strictly frum, Hebrew-phonic Ashkenzai and Sefardim are increasingly becoming indistinguishable except by nusach.December 31, 2012 8:40 pm at 8:40 pm #916609uneeqMember
To make up for the fact that most rishonim are sephardic.December 31, 2012 8:43 pm at 8:43 pm #916610apushatayidParticipant
this is headed down the wrong slope. quickly.December 31, 2012 8:49 pm at 8:49 pm #916611
uneeq: That was made up by the fact that most Achronim are Ashkenazic.December 31, 2012 9:32 pm at 9:32 pm #916612
How many times have you heard a Chiddush of the Baba Sali, Chacham Tzvi or even Rav Ovadiah Yosef (Ive heard a few from Rav Ovadiah Yosef, but not many)December 31, 2012 9:41 pm at 9:41 pm #916613uneeqMember
Doswin: I’ve seen others state that but in my experience that is far from clear. In fact, I honestly believe the opposite is true.December 31, 2012 9:44 pm at 9:44 pm #916614
In fact how many Achronic Sefardic Sefarim besides the Meom Loez and thats only because the english translated version took hold firstDecember 31, 2012 10:11 pm at 10:11 pm #916615
uneeq: It is very obvious. Ever since after the Inquisition, the Torah world has been led by Ashkenazic achronim. Of course there are many Sefardic achronim, but it is only a small percentage of what the Ashkenazic Torah world has produced. (Remember that 50% of Sephardic Jewry converted out during the Inquisition.)December 31, 2012 10:18 pm at 10:18 pm #916616popa_bar_abbaParticipant
zdad: Tell us which sifrei acharonim the sfardim use that the ashkenazim don’t.
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