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    aoish3x3
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    Rabbi Neustadt on Torah.org weekly halachah discussion parashas Behaaloscha brings from Rav Shlomo Zalman Auerbach that an uncle is not allowed to touch his niece after she turns 3. In the footnote there Rabbi Neustadt writes “For a general discussion concerning the age of three, see The Weekly Halachah Discussion, vol 1., pg. 238-239.” Does anyone here have that sefer, and if so, can you please tell me what he writes there about the age of three. Does he bring anyone who disagrees or what exactly does he say there.

    #1943112
    Just Wondering
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    I can’t remember the source, but I seem to remember that many poskim differentiate between touching derech chibah and just regular touching. So hugging may be assur but holding their hand to cross the street can be muttar.

    #1943161
    Goldilocks
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    Doesn’t it also depend on the age of the uncle? (For example, what if the uncle is a toddler?)

    #1943172
    ujm
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    Holding the hand to cross the street you can do for an old lady, too. But anything you cannot do with a 28 year old lady an uncle (or any non-relative) cannot do with his niece (or any girl) once she is three years old, according to the Chofetz Chaim. The other shitta is from the Chazon Ish who holds it is no later than when she reaches age seven, but may be an earlier than that age if she’s bodily more mature beforehand.

    #1943198
    aoish3x3
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    you are 100% wrong. the chazon ish says no such thing, and neither does the mishnah berurah. the shittah of 3 years old is from Rabbi Shlomo Zalman Auerbach. and the chazon ish never said what you claim. anyway, that’s not my question. my question is does anyone have that sefer and if so can you please tell me what he says there.

    #1943224
    commonsaychel
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    @aoish3x3: In Internet slang, a troll is a person who starts flame wars or intentionally upsets people on the Internet. Typically they do this by posting inflammatory and digressive,[1] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog), with the intent of provoking readers into displaying emotional responses[2] and normalizing tangential discussion.[3] This is typically for the troll’s amusement, or to achieve a specific result such as disrupting a rival’s online activities or manipulating a political process.
    a/k/a a bored yeshiva bucher

    #1943226
    ujm
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    aoish: See the Mishna Berurah (Biur Halacha 75 s.v. tefach, quoting the Shulchan Shlomo ad loc. 1) regarding that they are required from age three. The Chazon Ish (Moed – O.C. 16, 8 s.v. Kasav b’Mishna Berurah) maintains that they are not required until a girl’s body starts to mature, which Rav Wozner says is by age seven at the latest. Rav Shlomo Zalman Auerbach (Halichos Shlomo on Tefillah Ch. 20, 9) says that even ‘yereim l’dvar Hashem’ do not have to follow the Mishna Berura on this point, but rather to be lenient and follow the Chazon Ish’s ruling.

    #1943229
    ujm
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    There is however, some dispute as to what age the Chazon Ish was referring to when the proper tznius guidelines should be instituted. Rav Yaakov Kamenetzky opined that until age five, there is no doubt that there is no issue. After that, he maintained that it is not clear-cut and it would depend on each individual girl; he posited that one should therefore be stringent from age five. However, most poskim estimate that the Chazon Ish meant age 6 – 7, depending on the individual girl.

    #1943251
    refoelzeev
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    Everyone should ignore aoish3x3. They are a serial troll on another Judaism site I frequent. They posted this there as well.

    #1943441
    Yt
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    @commonsaychal, just because a member is new it doesn’t mean that they are a troll, I also find it very unwelcoming.

    #1943483
    commonsaychel
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    @ty I welcome new members, but when the first time he joined the discussion he is posting a trollish topic you can safety assume he is a troll.

    #1943915
    Yt
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    Whatever nm!

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