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    According to the ongoing debate in the other thread (http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/can-a-golem-speak), my whole existence is uncertain!

    Oy!

    Reminds me of the reason Yitzchok didn’t marry his sister “bakol” – if she was indeed in existence, because according to those who say she wasn’t, he’d be left without a wife.

    #945171
    popa_bar_abba
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    The mishna in perkei avos talks about you. You obviously exist.

    #945172
    just my hapence
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    If we take the same criteria for proof of one’s own existence as Descartes did the answer in your case is unclear.

    #945173

    pba, no, according to some it’s only a dream. Hyper-theoretically (or whatever that fancy word is). If I were, those seven ways. I’m sure that’s why they say the mishna starts of with golem, but then switches to chacham, and ends with “and the opposite a golem”. I’m sure they say ’cause maybe there isn’t such a thing. no?

    #945174
    PBT
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    The philosopher Rene’Decartes has a famous quote attributed to him, “I think, therefore I am.” So one day, Decartes walks into a bar for a couple of drinks. After about the 2nd or 3rd drink, the bartender asks, “So, would you like another drink?”. Decartes replies, “I THINK NOT,” and disappears. Just another aspect from which to consider this thread.

    #945175
    Torah613Torah
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    You’re a concatenation of atoms.

    #945176
    HaLeiVi
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    Surely you exist but not in Old Man’s dream.

    #945177
    SpiderJerusalem
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    No, you don’t exist. None of us do because none of this is real. Try not to get too bent out of shape about it.

    #945178
    🐵 ⌨ Gamanit
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    You exist if you use the other definition of Golem as in a klutz, idiot, spaced out individual. If you want to be the man made man, no you don’t. No one in this generation would make one.

    #945179

    hmmm…. You definitely exist cuz ur writing to us. My question is: since when have I existed? Am I a gilgul from the days of moshe rabeinu? Am I moshe rabeinu?

    #945180
    SpiderJerusalem
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    You don’t exist because this is a false world is what I mean. This world is the grease trap under the sink. It has a specific purpose, to trap all the schmutz. Entrapment is legal in the heavenly court. Everyone gets trapped here against their will and everyone will have to answer for what they did while they were stuck on the flypaper. All the tehillim in the world won’t prevent you from having to answer for bad business dealings.

    #945181
    shmulik1
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    What’s a difference if you exist or not all you have to do is listen to mamar hashem etc.. and if you don’t want to believe in hashem and therefore ask these questions in order to cover your feelings, you’re a straight forwad koifer, and there is enough what to answer, so just stop thinking so much or take some pills to heel your wounds and carry on with a serious life

    #945183
    writersoul
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    Some Discworld Golems Can Speak.

    If You’re Interested In Applying, Just Contact Adora Belle Dearheart At The Golem Trust.

    #945184
    OneOfMany
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    ^best post

    #945185
    Torah613Torah
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    Does Joseph exist?

    #945186
    HaLeiVi
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    My my. I see before me what a great Gadol said of someone, “If he would be in the woods he would fight with the trees.”

    #945187
    SpiderJerusalem
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    My my. I see before me an infamous condescending attitude from one who shuns common sense.

    #945188
    HaLeiVi
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    Many people see that before you.

    #945189

    Of course I exist. Arnold Fine said (says?) so.

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