Do people with Ruach HaKodesh exist today?

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    BatMelech
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    What are some names of Rabbis or Rebbetzins who have Ruach HaKodesh in this day and age?

    #1031096

    Joseph
    Participant

    The Chofetz Chaim had and there are people in every generation, including our own, that do.

    #1031097

    EY Yid
    Member

    i have only seen two people with ruach hakodesh — one is no longer alive (Rav Greenglassin Montreal) and the other is no longer healthy.

    There are 36 tzadikim in every generation, but they must be hidden.

    #1031098

    ☕️coffee addict
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    ive heard that r aderet has (but this is from people in his community in great neck

    #1031099

    John
    Member

    There ziche are people just they keep it to themselves

    #1031100

    Redleg
    Participant

    It seems to me that it is an error to believe that anyone “possesses” Ruach Hakodesh. Ruach Hakodesh is a gift bestowed by the Master of the Universe to whomever, whenever and for whatever reason He so chooses. To state that So and So “has” Ruach Hakodesh implies that that individual is sort of a navi. Something that no longer exists. Everyone of us, whatever our matzav, prays three times a day, six days a week for the Eibishter to share with us His Deiah, Binah, v’Haskel (a pretty good working definition of Ruach Hakodesh). If Ruach Hakodesh is only available to special people, the nusach hatefilla ought to be something like,”make us worthy of receiving… etc. Sometimes, G-d answers those tefilos. Perhaps the better one is at davening, the more likely HaShem is to grant the gift, but it’s never a sure thing and there is an occasional wild card in the form of someone who doesn’t appear to merit such a gift. May the Rebono shel Olam answer our tefilos and grant the gift to us all?

    #1031101

    Redleg
    Participant

    A word about Lamedvavniks, the 36 hidden tzadikim without whose existence the world could no longer exist. The key word is “hidden”. Any lamedvavnik whose identity becomes known must die, therefore, Lamedvavniks take pains to conceal their status and appear as ordinary Jews, even to the extent of pretending to act un-tzadiklike. The lesson for us is that since we can’t know who is or isn’t a lamedvavnik, we must consider that any Jew we meet might be one and, therefore, deserving of the respect and courtesy due such a one.

    #1031102

    John
    Member

    I once heard that alums vov niks don’t have to be dafke hidden the gadol hador is most definitely one of them

    #1031103

    Why do we think they are hidden? Neither of my gemaras mention that.

    #1031104

    John
    Member

    When autistic children were asked if there are any lamud vov tzaddikim nowadays they replied that yes there are some in Israel and some abroad

    #1031105

    What a question!!

    Of course they exist. (Some are not even so humble.. they admit it themselves.. for instance me..)

    And I don’t think it says anywhere that the thirty six tzddikim who the world stands on are hidden.. (I think)

    #1031106

    John
    Member

    I wouldn’t be surprised if R’ Chaim Kanievsky has ruach hakodesh

    #1031107

    YW Moderator-42
    Moderator

    As far as I can remember, I haven’t had a nevuah during the last 9 years.

    #1031108

    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    Me!

    #1031109

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    Popa must be telling the truth, because, after all, would someone with ruach hakodesh lie to us?

    #1031110

    ☕️coffee addict
    Participant

    42,

    is that due to being a mod?

    #1031111

    Patur Aval Assur
    Participant
    #1031112

    Patur Aval Assur
    Participant

    Bava Basra 12b:

    ???? ???? ??? ????? ????? ????? ?? ??????? ?????? ?????? ?????????

    Sanhedrin 11a:

    ????? ?????? ???????? ??? ????? ?????? ?????? ??? ????? ??????

    Obviously these are not exact rules, as is clear from various other gemaros (including the continuation of the above gemara) where Tannaim had some form of ruach hakodesh/prophecy.

    #1031113

    DikDukDuck
    Participant

    Maybe they are told through Ruach Hakodesh to keep their Ruach Hakodesh a secret?

    #1031114

    Sam2
    Participant

    I don’t know where the statement that LamedVavniks exist even comes from.

    #1031115

    ivory
    Member

    Some people who are looking for someone who has ruach hakodesh might just need a therapist to work through their issues

    #1031116

    zahavasdad
    Participant

    If someone really had ruach HaKodesh today, dont you think it would be unethical of them not to tell someone they were in immediate danger from someone or to tell us where the missing are

    #1031117

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    Sam, if you had ruach hakodesh, you would know.

    Seriously, though, there are many levels and aspects to whatcwe call “ruach hakodesh”, and despite the gemara’s statement, some form existed afterwards (as evident, as PAA points out, from the hemshech).

    Even in recent generations, there has been some form if r”h Many people have testified, for example, about statements from the Steipler zt”l that can only reasonably be explained outside of teva (I know of a pretty reliable story to that effect from his son R’ Chaim shlit”a).

    #1031118

    Google the term Cold Reading.

    #1031119

    Sam2, Succah 45b or Sanhedrin 97b.

    #1031120

    Redleg
    Participant

    Sam, whether or not Lamedvavniks actually exist or are simply a folk legend, the point of the mashal is still valid. All Jews, even the ones you may think ill of, are to be treated with respect. Hey! you never know.

    #1031121

    RepublicanDemocrat
    Participant

    Do any of you know the defenition of ruach hakodesh? Is it that they read your mind or know what will happen tommorrow?

    Let me explain with a short true story.

    Harav Chaim Kanievsky shlit”a went to visit Gaave”d Yerushalaim Harav Tuvia Wiess shlit”a, r”t told r”c that he learns in the sefer birchas peretz of the steipler zt”l (father of r”c) and the many gematrios mentioned in the sefer must be ruach hakodesh, r”c answered that it”s not ruach hakodesh but siyata dishmaya.

    so let me ask you, who is correct? the answer is both! ruach hakodesh has many defenitions, but it’s not that it’s a satellite that can see everywhere in the world and know everything.

    That’s my opinion, do you agree?

    #1031122

    nishtdayngesheft
    Participant

    ZD,

    What a silly comment. Do you think Ruach Hakodesh means that these peo0ple know everything that is going to happen to everyone? Where’d you get that notion? Or that is even what people think it means? Actually, I don’t need Ruach Hakodesh to know why.

    CoW

    Neither did I need Ruach Hakodesh to know what CoW would post. Of course it is nonsensical because it is not at all relevant to the topic at hand. He just wants to let us know how much he abhors talmidei chachomim.

    The Ruach Hakodesh of the gemara is apparent when they spoke about the feelings of an am ho’oretz to a talmud chochom.

    #1031123

    Trust 789
    Member

    I think we are all sometimes zoche to ruach hakodesh in making decisions. We may not always realize it though.

    DY: Why would he know that it’s ruach hakodesh?

    #1031124

    Sam2
    Participant

    chovim: Look at that Gemara again. It certainly doesn’t mean “LamedVavnik” the way it is used in common parlance (or even this thread).

    #1031125

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    Trust 789, I meant that he would know the source for lamedvovniks if he had ruach hakodesh, and I was joking.

    #1031126

    benignuman
    Participant

    I recall Rabbi Avigdor Miller saying on one of his tapes that Ruach Hakodesh, as it is used in post-talmudic seforim, means a form of siyata dishmaya to make the right decisions and say right pshat.

    #1031127

    benignuman
    Participant

    crisisoftheweek,

    People here are not talking professional “mekubalim,” that prey on the desparate. They are talking about tzadikim, men of integrity, who might have instances of extra insight beyond that which is apparent from use of the normal 5 senses.

    #1031128

    Sam2
    Participant

    DY: You missed my point. I do know. The point is that the concept underwent a tremendous change a few hundred years ago and that the way it is often said now seems to have no source.

    #1031129

    yytz
    Participant

    If by “ruach hakodesh” you mean some amount of psychic powers, sure, there are rabbis alive today about whom such stories are told, by credible people. The only examples I can think of off the top of my head are R’ Shalom Arush (who has sometimes told people specifically what their problem was before they said anything) or the Sudilkover Rebbe (who somehow knows things about a person by looking at their Hebrew name). There are many more people believed to have such abilities, especially in Israel (of course, not all of them are necessarily real…)

    #1031130

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    Sam, you don’t go with the Carlebach version?

    #1031131

    There are as many people in this generation with ruach hakodesh as there were in each previous generation. –Guy with ruach hakodesh

    #1031132

    HaLeiVi
    Participant

    Ruach Hakodesh is the opposite of psychic. A psychic tries not to know anything about the topic he is divining. A Baal Ruach Hakodesh asks many questions. Also, a psychic has a feeling or bias, which is assumed to be accurate when he has no prior bias. Ruach Hakodesh is unmistakable.

    And yes, there is a very big difference between Nevua and Ruach Hakodesh. The main one is that only a Navi carries a message from Hashem to people, and can say, ?? ??? ???. A Baal Ruach Hakodesh, even when he has clear knowledge of something is never saying, I have a message to you from Hashem.

    As for ZD’s Taana, it is unethical to go against Hashem’s wish and divulge that which wasn’t meant to be revealed. I know of Tzaddikim who tried getting others to stop someone from going somewhere, while they couldn’t tell anything to the person himself.

    #1031133

    zahavasdad
    Participant

    HaLevi

    One is allowed to do almost anything to save a life (Except the Big 3). I did not know that if Hashem tells you not to say and you do tell them, its a big averirah

    #1031134

    oyyoyyoy
    Participant

    Zahavasdad im pretty sure someone with ruach hakodesh knows what he’s doing

    #1031136

    oyyoyyoy
    Participant

    I can’t find it right now but R Chaim Kanievsky talks about it in Orchos Yosher

    #1031137

    John
    Member

    Does anyone know the names or stories firsthand of people who clearly have ruach hakodesh besides r shlolom Arush

    #1031138

    nishtdayngesheft
    Participant

    ZD,

    Your question is beyond silly. Your assumption is that someone who has been zoche to ruach hakodesh automatically knows everything that is going to happen to a person who sees him. You really have to stop basing your understanding of real life on what you read in comic books or other fantasy books that you must frequent.

    Further to that is your assumption that such individuals did in fact know of something that was pikuach nefesh and did not share that information. Your whole comment is based upon your own illogical, fantasy book based, assumptions.

    Utterly ridiculous.

    #1031139

    HaLeiVi
    Participant

    zdad, I hope you are kidding.

    #1031140

    golfer
    Participant

    Ivory, your statement, perfect in its accuracy and brevity, got lost in all the excitement.

    Could you please hit CAPSLOCK and repost it.

    #1031141

    Avram in MD
    Participant

    nishtdayngesheft,

    Although I agree with you that zahavasdad is misunderstanding the concept of ruach hakodesh, I think your words are excessively harsh, and the insults are not ok.

    zahavasdad,

    If someone really had ruach HaKodesh today, dont you think it would be unethical of them not to tell someone they were in immediate danger from someone or to tell us where the missing are

    Ruach hakodesh does not make a person an all-knowing deity. No human has the capacity to know everything in the world, all of the details and interweaving threads of billions of souls. Even to Moshe Rabbeinu, the greatest prophet who ever lived, Hashem said that His face could not be seen, but He would show him His back.

    #1031142

    oyyoyyoy
    Participant

    Maran (pronounced Muchun) Hagaon Harav Chaim Kanievsky Shlita, has a whole (small) chapter in Orchos Yosher called “Ruach Hakodesh”. He writes, as others have said, that there are different levels. I can’t go thru it all now, i’ll try to put it up soon.

    He says the navuah that’s batul till moshiach comes is referring to real bona fide navuah. However, today we’re still left with some sort of ruach hokodesh.

    Even though i hope to put up a better “quote” (hehe), i’ll mention something he says at the end which to me seems like a big reason for him writing the whole chapter in the first place. Also it sounds like people here need to hear this. There is a ruach hakodesh that can rest on a Talmid Chochom when someone asks him a shaalah. If i recall correctly, it’s possible that this whole ruach hakodesh comes from the one asking the question’s strong emunah in chachamim. Meaning even if one person asks Rabbi Ploni something and gets an answer with ruach hakodesh, that may not be the case when someone else asks Rabbi Ploni.

    to be continued…

    #1031143

    Sam2
    Participant

    oy: I have heard from R’ Schachter (though never found a Makor) that a Rav while answering a Shailah has a certain Siyata Dishmaya. R’ Schachter thinks that that’s P’shat in the Gemara’s Hilchasa Lim’shicha question. Your assumption that it comes from the asker’s Emunah makes no sense, though. Why should a Moreh Hora’ah be fated to give a wrong answer because of what the asker is thinking?

    #1031144

    oyyoyyoy
    Participant

    Sorry I wasn’t clear. It just means if the shoel doesn’t have emunah, then there won’t be a ruach in answering for him. Just good ol flesh and blood. If the rabbi gives the wrong answer it is noones fault but his own.

    #1031145

    HaLeiVi
    Participant

    There’s a famous sport about the Noda Biyehuda that when he first became Rav and had many opponents they kept trying to test him and trip him up. Once, by a Seudas Bris, they made something look like a questionable piece of may and brought it up to him and asked what it’s Din is. He started leaning towards one ruling and they all brought proofs to the contrary. He hard them out and started to agree to them. Then they brought proofs the other way around and he started leaning towards that. That is when he suddenly announced that this case is made up.

    They knew he was right but they wondered how he knew. Jew said, when a Shaila comes to a rav he gets Siatta Dishmaya to answer correctly. If I can’t make up my mind then it must not really be a Shaila.

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