October 25, 2017 10:06 pm at 10:06 pm #1389903
Or too few? Or just the right amount?October 25, 2017 10:59 pm at 10:59 pm #1389970
Any animals killed to be eaten, are just the right amount.October 25, 2017 10:59 pm at 10:59 pm #1389971
Any killed to use their fur for clothing, are perfect use of the animals.October 26, 2017 1:42 am at 1:42 am #1390024HaLeiViParticipant
We kill way too many mice, but not enough terrorists.October 26, 2017 11:09 am at 11:09 am #1390244
Joseph: What’s the source for your statement that killing animals for fur is permitted? That may have once been the case when there were few other alternatives, but what right do you have now to torture/kill a living being because you want (in your opinion) to look good?October 26, 2017 11:09 am at 11:09 am #1390261Yserbius123Participant
A bigger I issue, I think, should be about mistreating animals so that they’ll taste better. Like veal, which comes from 2 year old calves grown up in essentially boxes.October 26, 2017 11:21 am at 11:21 am #1390281
Yankelle, Hashem created animals for our use in food and clothing.October 26, 2017 3:18 pm at 3:18 pm #1390543
But if you shoot them, they are not kosher.
October 26, 2017 3:23 pm at 3:23 pm #1390559
If you want to eat ’em, shecht ’em. If you want to wear ’em, shoot ’em.October 26, 2017 3:56 pm at 3:56 pm #1390569
Joseph: What’s your source for that, especially now that there are so many alternatives?October 26, 2017 4:01 pm at 4:01 pm #1390581
The Torah teaches that the earth has been given by Hashem to human beings, in general, and then to the Jewish people. And therefore, anyone who questions the right of mankind to use the flesh of animals, is questioning the authority of the Torah and the dignity and primacy of mankind.October 26, 2017 4:27 pm at 4:27 pm #1390602
The Torah also teaches that we shouldn’t waste our resources.
October 26, 2017 4:54 pm at 4:54 pm #1390609
That sounds like a non-sequitur to me, Joseph. How does being given the earth translate into killing animals for appearance? Would you also say that hunting or bull-fighting is permissible under the same grounds? I agree that Hashem gave us the planet, but along with that comes a responsibility to treat it well, the same way that Hashem have us our bodies, but we are not permitted to do whatever we want with it just because it’s ours (i.e: tattoos, smoking, etc…). And what about tzar balei chaim? Doesn’t that come into play?October 26, 2017 5:52 pm at 5:52 pm #1390626
Hunting for fun and bull-fighting is prohibited. (Tzar balei chaim, et al.) Hunting for food and clothing is permitted.October 27, 2017 12:22 am at 12:22 am #1390829
Give the other parts to needy families or something. Otherwise you might run into bal tashchis.October 27, 2017 2:21 am at 2:21 am #1390839
But it’s still for sport. Also, what if the poor people hunt too?October 27, 2017 12:27 pm at 12:27 pm #1390920
Why do you classify clothing as a necessity, as opposed to fun or luxury, like hunting or bull-fighting? If anything, clothing made from animal products is more expensiveness than their synthetic counterparts, so it is certainly not a necessity for (almost) anyone to wear animal products. This is especially true of fur, which 99.9% of the time is only worn as an adornment.October 27, 2017 12:28 pm at 12:28 pm #1390948Little FroggieParticipant
Do you kill too many bugs. (Do you sing while killing them?!?)October 27, 2017 1:05 pm at 1:05 pm #1390978
Man has the right to use animals to make leather wallets, other leather products, upholstery, interior decorating, fur for hats, coats, clothing, etc. Hashem provided animals to man for all these purposes.October 27, 2017 1:35 pm at 1:35 pm #1391018
Joseph: you keep stating your opinion as fact without any substantiation.October 27, 2017 1:44 pm at 1:44 pm #1391029
Yankelle, I’ll answer you in a new thread.October 28, 2017 8:57 pm at 8:57 pm #1391078sailcatParticipant
My personal believe – and this is just me – is that for every animal that I consume for food or clothing, or what have you, I devote 10% or the cost towards charity towards animal wildlife protection. It’s just something that I personally believe. My hope is that corporations who use animals for profit be it eggs, dairy or what have you devote 10% of their gross profits towards animal welfare.October 28, 2017 10:21 pm at 10:21 pm #1391091
What does animal welfare mean, that this money is being spent on?
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