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It seems like these occupy wall street hippies are against everything America stands for. They’re against capitalism, which is the reason America thrives. They fight against the police who are here to protect American citizens. To me it seems like they are a bunch of traitors…
read this thread…you have no idea what youre talking about
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/anyone-else-been-to-ows
i view them as the newest form of terrorists. they are interrupting daily life here . they are theratening to disrupt the train service, the bridges etc.
terrorists without the explosives around their belts
You are right! And in addition to what you say, they are driving up prices at the deli counter because they are so full of bologna, they created a shortage.
On a footnote: I would not call them hippies, though. That would be an insult to the real hippies, who, on the positive side, infused American culture with holistic, natural (tzar balei chaim), and organic technologies, along with visionaries in countless fields, as well as ending the war in Viet Nam. Oh, and great music and lyrics.
More than traitors, I think they are just fools.
They are protesting for 50 different reasons against those who can do nothing whatsoever to even address any of their problems.
They will accomplish absolutely nothing.
Hopefully the coming cold winter will drive them off the streets and back to reality.
According to the constitution , Article 3, Section 3
Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.
The Congress shall have power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.
Anything else is not being a traitor, it might be lawless or something else, but its not treason
I view them as pathetic losers and a nuisance.
misguided, foolish, too much free time on their hands, easily swayed, impressionable, but not traitors.
The colonists were traitors against England, too. I’m definitely not saying that the OWS movement has as much justification as the American Revolution – just that a belief that opposes the establishment isn’t necessarily ideologically WRONG, even if it is “traitorous.”
Disclaimer: I DO think they are a bunch of moronic idealists.
BTguy: There is a book which refutes the idea that the hippie 60’s was really responsible for a number of the positives that you mention, Closing of the American Mind by A. Bloom. But the possibility of widening ones horizons and ideas is certainly a good thing ESPECIALLY for the majority of non frum Jews to consider the error of their ways.
Hi littleapple. I hear your point of view and many hold to that. But the facts remain that Steward Brand and his Whole Earth Catalog, Steve Wozniak and Steve Jobs in technology, Abbie Hoffman and Jerry Rubin as American patriots regarding ending the Viet Nam war, as well as many many other innovators in holistic health, animal rights, civil rights, etc., are all are very positive things that came out of the counter-culture in my opinion.
There were negatives, sure, as their are in everything. I dont know where the Jews involved were holding (and the majority in the forefront, if not all, were Jews), and cant say if they went off the derech. But, again, I hear your point of view, and a good argument can be made on either side. Many of the greatest minds were attracted to the counter-culture back then in juxtaposition to mainstream white America, and unfortunately did experiment and indulge in things that are not good.
And as Jews, are we not the ultimate rebels of the status quo in many ways?
Avraham was definitely a rebel against the status quo of idolatry, but by the time of Yaakov and the shevatim a new Jewish status quo could be said to have established and it became very important to conform to it, the pattern could be seen to be repeated many times and it takes great judgement to know when to apply this or that quality, iconoclast or staunch defender of the faith and morality.
I see them as hippies that dont have a job!
“read this thread…you have no idea what youre talking about
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/anyone-else-been-to-ows”
really…none of you have any idea what youre talking about…you regurgitate what you see in the media as fact, which is shocking since we as jews should know that the media always has a specific agenda…that bloody picture on the front page of YWN i can guarantee you is miut sheb’miut. they say that two hundred people were arrested…not surprising in such a massive march of protest which has no permit…there are always people arrested at protests and there are always a few who fight. calling them traitors is so wrong…seriously
I usually view them as pathetic.
It is just a regular cult; people need a cause, so they make one. I visited one of them, the way they have speeches, is the speaker says a few words, and then everybody repeats it (they started this when they weren’t allowed megaphones). It is so cultish, it is scary.
If only s/o could infiltrate their ranks and start chanting gibberish and see if they chant along.
exactly what do you think they are? seriously! infiltrate? theyre public protesters…wanna infiltrate..? JUST SHOW UP
seriously you guys have no clue what youre talking about
Hi littleapple. I was not suggesting going against a Jewish status quo, c”vs. My point was more in the line that our status quo, as Jews, is a courageous thing that is non-comformist to the status quo of the rest of the world.
Remember, while they didnt originate the idea of organic farming and natural products, it was the hippie communes that infused it into American life in the 20th century. It was not Kraft Foods, Archer Daniels, Proctor and Gamble, General Mills. Those corporations created poisons to add to food products.
Civil Rights was not initiated by a president’s pen and enforced by the law. They had to be compelled to do those things for American citizens at the hands of civil rights workers.
The Viet Nam War did not end because Nixon/Agnew/Mitchell/McNamara thought the military industrial complex had made enough money off the bodies of young Americans, and they should call it quits. The end of the war initiated by the Yippies and other groups.
As far as the non-Jewish world goes, those above mentioned efforts were positive and better than what would have been otherwise.
Yes, there is a lot the criticize. Sociologically speaking, no group is immune to being critiqued.
seriously you guys have no clue what youre talking about
whoa
They have no purpose they have no goals. They are lazy, they clearly DONT want jobs, they are a nuisance to the community around them, and i beleive that they are losing steam fast. I went down to to go eat by Milkstreet cafe, which BTW was closed due to the OWS barricades, and i went past the protesters and was APPALLED. Aren’t they ANTI capitalism????????! They were selling buttons, hats, shirts, bags, magnets, and the list goes on. They were SCREAMING at passerby. Yelling at the police officers, who i felt so bad for who just have to stand there all day trying to keep some semblance of order. What angers me is that some people say they are so peaceful and they walk in an orderly fashion and who are we to make them leave. If you had been down there when i was 3 weeks ago you would have seen that it was chaos, absurdity, smelly, unseemly, and just UNAMERICAN. If they want to protest against our sour economy, go to washington. Even that would do no good, but at least they would be in the right place. What they are is a joke. I know so many people who have been struggling to find jobs, and have had to settle for positions which they are too qualified for. big deal. That is life. It may stink now but hopefully it will get better. Crying and decorating signs, and asking for handouts for over 2 months?? PLEASE! Go to interviews like everybody else, keep looking there ARE jobs you just need to look and maybe settle on what they isn’t what you had hoped for but it will have to do for now. I am sorry but i have no sympathy for these un american fools.
It seems liek a good idea, but at the end of the day nothing they are trying to do will solve any of their personal problems. That’s the thing to keep in mind.
So, liek, they can keep whining about all the problems with this country, and maybe even be right. But even if they manage to enact change they are still going to have to actually do something for themselves to change their own life. The best ROI comes from working on yourself.
“Ok I get it, you’re probably a liberal who wants to defend these people, but please don’t make up lies that you’ve been to the park and it was pleasant, noone likes that guy…”
yeah i was there too…did you bother to talk to any of them? because the people i spoke to were NOT touting liberal agendas
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