does anyone know p'shat in this medrash?

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    screwdriverdelight
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    The Tur, siman 585, brings a midrash, which translates as follows (I don’t have a hebrew typeset):

    On yom kippur everyone’s aveiros are forgivven, then between yom kippur & sukkos everyone’s busy with their lulav and sukkah, so nobody does aveiros. So the first day for aveiros is sukkos, hence, “ulkachtem lachem bayom harishon”-yom rishon for aveiros.

    How can the medrash make such a drastic statement that there’s no time for aveiros? Does nobody get angry, speak loshon horo, etc. while building a sukkah? Do they not eat; perhaps be negligent with b’rachos? If there’s shabbos in between yom kippur and sukkos, they’re not busy with lulav or sukkah. And does it necessarily take four days for sukkah and lulav? And what changes on sukkos–people are definitely going to be busy with sukkah and lulav then.? And what about nashim, or are exempt from both mitzvos? Or are they too occupied with cooking?

    Anyone can explain this to me…?

    #1035064

    Chortkov
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    It’s a five day “get-out-of-jail-free” card.

    #1035065

    HaLeiVi
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    Yom Tov is a time when people have time to hang out. That is when the real Aveiros start happening. For this reason BaHab was set up, to fast for the Aveiros on Yom Tov.

    Also, perhaps while being busy with Mitzvos, physically and mentally, that keeps you from forgetting about your Jewishness.

    #1035066

    oyyoyyoy
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    yekke thats a huge chiddush are u making that up or quoting something

    #1035067

    Chortkov
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    Joking. Sorry, I didn’t think anybody would have taken that seriously! I should have explained!

    #1035068

    oyyoyyoy
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    shudve realized a yekke wouldnt say chasidish pshat

    #1035069

    LanderTalmid
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    I learnt that it’s working with miztvah goreress miztvah. When people get into miztvah mode they don’t use their free time for aveiros.

    #1035070

    oyyoyyoy
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    then succos shud be the same. i heard from a chossid that hachanoh for mitzvos is a shmirah from aveiros but mitzvos themselves arent. this was his raaya that hachonos for mitzvos is greater in a certain aspect than the mitzva itself.

    #1035071

    HaLeiVi
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    The Gemara considers the body of a Yid to be ???? because of constant ???? of Mitzvos. Even when you aren’t actively thinking of doing a Mitzva you are subconsciously checking yourself constantly if you Davenned, if your eyes are in the right place. You aren’t at ease in the market place because you are on the alert for what is Kosher and what is not.

    Preparing for ??? ??? is the same thing, only more so. Even if you already got the Minim, prepared the ??? ??? food, and built your ????, your mind is still not wandering on its own because you are subconsciously going through your ??? ??? checklist.

    #1035072

    lebidik yankel
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    As Halevi said so well, although no one is denied opportunity for sin should they so desire, the days between yom Kippur and Sukkos are often on a spiritual high, devoted to mitzvos. One starts to sin – serious sin (not lashon harah) – on Sukkos.

    #1035073

    lebidik yankel
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    I happened to see the original in the Tanchuma today – the idea is totally different: sukkos is the finish to Yom Kippur, for on Yom Kippur Hashem forgives us but we are not yet friends. That happens on Sukkos.

    Then forgiveness is complete. Hashem says ‘Ok, its a new account from now on’

    So its not discussing the sins of the interim, rather that Sukkos marks the end of the atonement cycle.

    What of the interim sins? Could be that they count towards the new account. Its not the subject at all.

    I understand that the Midrash Rabbah has it a bit differently, that we are too busy to sin. In that case the other ideas expressed here hold.

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