August 1, 2012 12:48 am at 12:48 am #604366
Like a towel. Or a barber’s thingy. Or a sheet used as a blanket. Or a blanket.
What if they are worn as a fake Tallis (for a play or for fun)
SiDi™August 1, 2012 1:38 am at 1:38 am #891517
They have to be a Beged. So no on the towel. Barber’s thingy maybe (but it’s never worn by it’s owner so it’s probably okay). Sheet almost definitely not. Blanket probably is and many are Machmir to round a corner of their blankets because of a Safek in the Mishnah B’rurah (though that’s probably just a Chumra and there are many reasons to be Meyashev the Minhag Ha’olam not to put Tzitzis on your blanket.)August 1, 2012 1:53 am at 1:53 am #891518
Mistama towels and blankets aren’t considered a begged, even if “worn” as a pretend begged for a minimal amount of time. I assume if you turned it into a begged where it was no longer a towel or blanket then it would be a different shaila. I always had the kasha regarding those square, hooded, one-size-fits-all rain ponchos. I was told by a rabbi that since it’s made of plastic and isn’t shti v’erev that it doesn’t need tzitzis, but I haven’t confirmed it anywhere else. I’m not sure if barber robes are made the same way.August 1, 2012 6:15 am at 6:15 am #891519ToiParticipant
they dont need.August 1, 2012 8:29 am at 8:29 am #891520
Curiosity: Like in the olden days, they used to wear a single begged to wrap themselves with. That can defiantly be a sheet.
What if someone uses a sheet to cover himself with and walk around the house? Meaning he uses it a lot as a begged, would it need Tzitzis?
SiDi™August 1, 2012 1:04 pm at 1:04 pm #891521ItcheSrulikMember
Basically, if “garment” needs to be put in quotes it isn’t a garment.
Curiosity: Forget about that. If it’s plastic it isn’t chayav in tzitzis even if woven.August 1, 2012 3:26 pm at 3:26 pm #891522gr8 masmidMember
such questions should be directed to a competent, Rav who has semicha in the area of shulchan aruch that your sha’ala is in. Do not ask halachic questions on a forum where anybody who thinks they know what they’re talking about can offer their opinions, eg probably…; I think… etc.
Not to say that the answers here are wrong, but asking sha’alos in such a manner can prove seriously damaging to your spiritual health.August 1, 2012 4:49 pm at 4:49 pm #891523
Itchesrulik – why then are there kosher tzitzit made of polyester?August 1, 2012 5:39 pm at 5:39 pm #891524
gr8 masmid: you are right IF I was asking Lamasha.
This thread is in the Beis Hamedresh section. And in a Beis Medreshe we DISCUSS Halacha. Nothing different then a real BM.
DO NOT PASKENYOUR SHAILOS FROM ANY ONLINE FORUM. ALWAYS ASK A COMPETENT RAV.
SiDi™August 1, 2012 6:49 pm at 6:49 pm #891525jdbParticipant
When I was in yeshiva in EY a number of the guys started wearing ponchos in the cold. It was the style, a bit hippyish. We asked a big rav about the ponchos. He recommended that we put on tsitsis. There was a shayla regarding both the length of the long ponchos, as the strings would drag on the ground as well as the materials of the poncho (largely synthetics) vis a vis bracha (I believe we made one).
When in doubt ask a shayla to your rav. If the costs are too high, ask your rav about the possibility of rounding off a corner of the begged.August 1, 2012 7:55 pm at 7:55 pm #891526nitpickerParticipant
and watch out with purim costumes which
a) may be shatnez and/or
b) may require tzitzesAugust 2, 2012 2:48 am at 2:48 am #891527
I once made someone round off the corner of a poncho they were wearing.August 2, 2012 4:50 am at 4:50 am #891528
Sam2…lol… T’was for naught!August 2, 2012 5:15 am at 5:15 am #891529
Curiosity: Not a plastic rain poncho. Like a Spanish/Mexican poncho. I’m sure it was Chayav in Tzitzis. He didn’t want to look super-weird though, so he rounded off a corner.August 2, 2012 2:37 pm at 2:37 pm #891530Kosher HamMember
Someone told me that I need to round off the corners of my 4th Dr. Who scarf. It’s 14′ long & about 1′ wide with non-tzitzis tassels at both ends just like the one the Dr. wore. I wear it in the winter & on Purim. Does this, l’chatchila, need tzitzis??August 2, 2012 3:53 pm at 3:53 pm #891531
KH: I also once told someone who had a scarf that was pretty wide on that it needed Tzitzis. He quoted that he had asked a major Posek who told him that since it’s not worn as a Begged to cover the majority of the body in that it’s not Chayav. But I really don’t think so. I think that if it meets the Shiur it’s Chayav no matter what. After all, the Shiur is not a Shiur that would cover you enough to be able to go into public with with. So obviously when the Poskim gave the Shiur they understood that it might not be worn alone.August 2, 2012 4:40 pm at 4:40 pm #891532
So does anyone know how synthetic fiber tzitzis can be kosher? Like polyester “fishnet” tzitzis? I wear those in the summer cus it’s like 110 degrees here…August 2, 2012 5:26 pm at 5:26 pm #891533
ItcheSrulik – That’s subject to a machlokes. You stated the view of Rav Moshe Feinstein in O.C. 2:1; however, Tzitz Eliezer (12:3) and Har Tzvi (1:9) hold that if it’s woven, it’s considered a beged.August 2, 2012 6:48 pm at 6:48 pm #891534ItcheSrulikMember
Curiosity: I’ve seen 80/20 cotton polyester and I’ve heard rabbanim express doubt about even those. Where can you find polyester tzitzis?August 2, 2012 11:16 pm at 11:16 pm #891535
Itche: What could the problem with that be? It’s M’fruash that you go Basar Rov to determine what the Begged is made out of.August 3, 2012 3:43 am at 3:43 am #891536
I bought it in Israel from a large clothing store that is owned by, and employs frum people. Also the tallis had a hechsher tag on it, but now that I look at it, it says the hechsher covers only the tzitzis strands themselves (which are labelled 65% polyester 35% cotton) and the tying of the knots which is done by “avreichim yarei shomayim”. I’m not Ashkenaz, so I don’t hold like R’ Feinstein, perhaps the shti v’erev is good enough to make it a garment. Have you ever seen those “fishnet” tzitzis? It’s see through and very breathable in the summer, that’s why I bought them.August 14, 2012 5:26 pm at 5:26 pm #891537
Curiosity: Rav Yisroel Belsky writes (Shulchan HaLevi 1:1:4) “A garment made from a net is not considered a beged and is exempt from tzitzis. A proof for this is from the Mishna in Keilim (28:9) which says, ‘Ha’oseh beged min hacherem tahor.’ The Raa”v there explains ‘min hacherem – from a net, and his flesh is visible. Therefore he is tahor.’…………..this beged is exempt from tzitzis, and if he made tzitzis on it, there is no kiyum mitzva, and if he wears it on Shabbos, there is an issur hotza’ah.”
Ad kan leshono.
Mistama he probably also holds that if someone makes a beracha on it, it’s a beracha l’vatala, another serious issur.August 14, 2012 6:23 pm at 6:23 pm #891538
Oy vey- thanks for the response. “Fishnet” tzitizis aren’t really made like fishnets or any other nets. People just call them that because the material has many tiny holes that have the resemblance of a net. I don’t think this psak would apply, but since you’re already in the parsha, does he mention anything about polyester?August 14, 2012 10:04 pm at 10:04 pm #891539SabziMember
Curiosity – I think you’r avoiding the obvious question… Could you catch a fish with your tzitzit? .. if so then it must be a fish net.August 14, 2012 10:47 pm at 10:47 pm #891540
It’s got a huge hole in the middle for the head. So probably not.August 15, 2012 1:41 am at 1:41 am #891541
Curiosity: He was actually referring to the popular net-tzitzis. He said that the point is the fact that it’s made specifically to reveal as much of the skin as possible, so it can’t be categorized as a beged for hilchos tume’as eilim, nor for hilchos tzitzis.
Rav Belsky doesn’t address the issue of polyester, but I am guessing that he would follow Rav Moshe, although my guess is as good/bad as anyone else’s. (He usually paskens like Rav Moshe Feinstein.)August 15, 2012 3:50 pm at 3:50 pm #891542yehudayonaParticipant
Curiosity, if the fish is big enough, it won’t be able to fit through the head hole. Sort of like the kli with holes that are smaller than pomegranates.August 16, 2012 3:15 am at 3:15 am #891543
A fish THAT big, will probably tear the tzitzis (and me) right in half. So no, still can’t catch fish with it.
Oy vey- do you know what other rishonim there say?
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