July 20, 2018 9:08 am at 9:08 am #1562266
☢️ 🚭 ☣️ Rand0m3x 🧠🕴️🎲Participant
Also, is Yerushalmi kugel holy?July 20, 2018 9:15 am at 9:15 am #1562291
Are you looking for the truth or for the answer that people need to support their already-in-place beliefs?July 20, 2018 12:17 pm at 12:17 pm #1562338
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Yet, the Torah includes words of Aramaic, and the Chazal state that Odom Harishon spoke Aramaic. One may note that there are several “unclean” words that do not exist within Lashon Hakodesh. The seforim address this.July 24, 2018 12:44 pm at 12:44 pm #1563771
It is holy because there are no dirty words e.g. ביאה and it has hidden meanings same as איבה.July 24, 2018 1:33 pm at 1:33 pm #1563781
The “no dirty words” reason sounds like something they would teach to 8-year-old’s.July 24, 2018 1:33 pm at 1:33 pm #1563784
The mishneh starts מאימתי which is targum because in loshan hakodesh should have been ממתי teaching us that it starts in a language that the malochim don’t understand or care about and Hashem is with us when we learn.July 24, 2018 2:47 pm at 2:47 pm #1563806
I will demontrate why it is called lashon hakodesh take
החדש הזה לכם ראש חדשים ראשון הוא לכם לחדשי השנה adds up to 2658 just as
כמה תשעה ועשרים ומחצה יום ותשצג חלקים indicating the time of the molad (from one lunar renewal to the next)
how many 29 1/2 days and 793 chalokim where chelek = 1/1080th of an hour.July 24, 2018 2:48 pm at 2:48 pm #1563846
yes! the ONLY holy language.
The insertion of some Aramaic does not make the LANGUAGE holy, only the particular insertion is holy because it is part of the holy Torah. So too the Sefer of Daniel is holy because it is part of Tanach, but not that the language per se becomes holy. I believe that years ago I was told that in Yirmiyahu there is a Babylonian word
inserted somewhere. If true, does that make Babylonian holy??????
Yiddish is our special adopted language – I hope it never dies out amongst our people – I speak it fairly fluently – but it cannot be called HOLY in the same sense as LASHON KODESH!! Just like an adopted child is not called the zera of his new parents, even if they call him “our son.”July 24, 2018 2:49 pm at 2:49 pm #1563850
Yes. Although Rebbe Nachman claimed that the with the Zohar, Rabbi Shimon Bar Yochai raised the level of Aramaic to a level of holiness that is comparable to Hebrew. But that is his personal chiddush, not chazal’s.July 24, 2018 2:56 pm at 2:56 pm #1563855
It is also important to note, that Hebrew is not called Hebrew anywhere in Tanach, or Ivrit. It is called Yehudit (see Melachim 2, 18:26. And note in the same place that the Jews didn’t speak Aramiac at that time).
And although some claim it is called lashon hakodesh because it contains no foul words, well for one thing it does, as in the expression עבודת גלולים, which means “dung worship”. What Rambam says is that it contains no words that are directly related to marital relations or to those parts of the body used for marital relations.
But more likely it called the holy tongue because God used it, so to speak, to create the world, and God is called Kadosh.July 24, 2018 3:35 pm at 3:35 pm #1563886
Look at Yosef when he said כי פי המדבר אליכם in lashon hakodesh where even Pharaoh could not speak.July 24, 2018 3:35 pm at 3:35 pm #1563884
“But more likely it called the holy tongue because God used it, so to speak, to create the world, and God is called Kadosh.”
If I understand it correctly, this is what the Ramban in Sefer Shmos, Perek Lamed Passuk Yud Gimmel says is the reason it is called Lashon HaKodesh.July 24, 2018 3:35 pm at 3:35 pm #1563883
About mixing aramaic with lashon hakodesh see Rabbenu Bechaya in
Devorim 33:25 דבאך.July 24, 2018 3:35 pm at 3:35 pm #1563882
“The “no dirty words” reason sounds like something they would teach to 8-year-old’s.”
This is the reason given by the Rambam in Moreh Nevuchim as quoted by the Ramban. See the Ramban in Sefer Shmos, Perek Lamed – Passuk Yud Gimmel.July 24, 2018 3:36 pm at 3:36 pm #1563878
How can a post demonstrating foul words be allowed on this site?July 24, 2018 4:24 pm at 4:24 pm #1563898
גא”מJuly 24, 2018 4:24 pm at 4:24 pm #1563896
Thank you apushata yid, which you are not, for pointing out the Ramban Shmos 30:13 quoting the Rambam which I heard about but never saw inside.July 24, 2018 4:38 pm at 4:38 pm #1563903
I’m already involved in one of these silly discussions so I will stay out of this one.
(the reason why I say it is silly, is becasue for reasons I am still trying to wrap my head around one side is ptiing words into the other’s mouth for example “but it cannot be called HOLY in the same sense as LASHON KODESH!!”)
Laskern I dont; understand
“החדש הזה לכם ראש חדשים ראשון הוא לכם לחדשי השנה adds up to 2658 just as
כמה תשעה ועשרים ומחצה יום ותשצג חלקים indicating the time of the molad”
I’ll take your word that it equal 2658, but I dont understand the significance of 2658July 24, 2018 4:47 pm at 4:47 pm #1563909
The number 2658 is not the significance but the fact they both add up to the same gematria which reveals to you how to calculate the molad. What are the chances of that? It is a hint that our calculation is correct.July 24, 2018 5:54 pm at 5:54 pm #1563912
Never mind Laskern
I got it.
I couldnt figure out why כמה was in there, I see you need it to make it fit. I though the 2658 somehow represented 29/12/793 which wouldve been more interesting
Seems obvious now, sorry for the question
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