Does the name “Lashon haKodesh” imply that it is the only holy language?

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  • #1562266

    Also, is Yerushalmi kugel holy?

    #1562291

    Are you looking for the truth or for the answer that people need to support their already-in-place beliefs?

    #1562338

    The little I know
    Participant

    Yes.

    Yet, the Torah includes words of Aramaic, and the Chazal state that Odom Harishon spoke Aramaic. One may note that there are several “unclean” words that do not exist within Lashon Hakodesh. The seforim address this.

    #1563771

    laskern
    Participant

    It is holy because there are no dirty words e.g. ื‘ื™ืื” and it has hidden meanings same as ืื™ื‘ื”.

    #1563781

    Neville ChaimBerlin
    Participant

    The “no dirty words” reason sounds like something they would teach to 8-year-old’s.

    #1563784

    laskern
    Participant

    The mishneh starts ืžืื™ืžืชื™ which is targum because in loshan hakodesh should have been ืžืžืชื™ teaching us that it starts in a language that the malochim don’t understand or care about and Hashem is with us when we learn.

    #1563806

    laskern
    Participant

    I will demontrate why it is called lashon hakodesh take

    ื”ื—ื“ืฉ ื”ื–ื” ืœื›ื ืจืืฉ ื—ื“ืฉื™ื ืจืืฉื•ืŸ ื”ื•ื ืœื›ื ืœื—ื“ืฉื™ ื”ืฉื ื” adds up to 2658 just as

    ื›ืžื” ืชืฉืขื” ื•ืขืฉืจื™ื ื•ืžื—ืฆื” ื™ื•ื ื•ืชืฉืฆื’ ื—ืœืงื™ื indicating the time of the molad (from one lunar renewal to the next)
    how many 29 1/2 days and 793 chalokim where chelek = 1/1080th of an hour.

    #1563846

    izzyg
    Participant

    yes! the ONLY holy language.
    The insertion of some Aramaic does not make the LANGUAGE holy, only the particular insertion is holy because it is part of the holy Torah. So too the Sefer of Daniel is holy because it is part of Tanach, but not that the language per se becomes holy. I believe that years ago I was told that in Yirmiyahu there is a Babylonian word
    inserted somewhere. If true, does that make Babylonian holy??????
    Yiddish is our special adopted language – I hope it never dies out amongst our people – I speak it fairly fluently – but it cannot be called HOLY in the same sense as LASHON KODESH!! Just like an adopted child is not called the zera of his new parents, even if they call him “our son.”

    #1563850

    Athos
    Participant

    Yes. Although Rebbe Nachman claimed that the with the Zohar, Rabbi Shimon Bar Yochai raised the level of Aramaic to a level of holiness that is comparable to Hebrew. But that is his personal chiddush, not chazal’s.

    #1563855

    Athos
    Participant

    It is also important to note, that Hebrew is not called Hebrew anywhere in Tanach, or Ivrit. It is called Yehudit (see Melachim 2, 18:26. And note in the same place that the Jews didn’t speak Aramiac at that time).
    And although some claim it is called lashon hakodesh because it contains no foul words, well for one thing it does, as in the expression ืขื‘ื•ื“ืช ื’ืœื•ืœื™ื, which means “dung worship”. What Rambam says is that it contains no words that are directly related to marital relations or to those parts of the body used for marital relations.

    But more likely it called the holy tongue because God used it, so to speak, to create the world, and God is called Kadosh.

    #1563886

    laskern
    Participant

    Look at Yosef when he said ื›ื™ ืคื™ ื”ืžื“ื‘ืจ ืืœื™ื›ื in lashon hakodesh where even Pharaoh could not speak.

    #1563884

    apushatayid
    Participant

    “But more likely it called the holy tongue because God used it, so to speak, to create the world, and God is called Kadosh.”

    If I understand it correctly, this is what the Ramban in Sefer Shmos, Perek Lamed Passuk Yud Gimmel says is the reason it is called Lashon HaKodesh.

    #1563883

    laskern
    Participant

    About mixing aramaic with lashon hakodesh see Rabbenu Bechaya in
    Devorim 33:25 ื“ื‘ืืš.

    #1563882

    apushatayid
    Participant

    “The โ€œno dirty wordsโ€ reason sounds like something they would teach to 8-year-oldโ€™s.”

    This is the reason given by the Rambam in Moreh Nevuchim as quoted by the Ramban. See the Ramban in Sefer Shmos, Perek Lamed – Passuk Yud Gimmel.

    #1563878

    ๐Ÿ‘‘RebYidd23
    Participant

    How can a post demonstrating foul words be allowed on this site?

    #1563898

    yitzchokm
    Participant

    RY

    ื’ื”ืž

    #1563896

    laskern
    Participant

    Thank you apushata yid, which you are not, for pointing out the Ramban Shmos 30:13 quoting the Rambam which I heard about but never saw inside.

    #1563903

    ubiquitin
    Participant

    I’m already involved in one of these silly discussions so I will stay out of this one.

    (the reason why I say it is silly, is becasue for reasons I am still trying to wrap my head around one side is ptiing words into the other’s mouth for example “but it cannot be called HOLY in the same sense as LASHON KODESH!!”)

    Laskern I dont; understand
    “ื”ื—ื“ืฉ ื”ื–ื” ืœื›ื ืจืืฉ ื—ื“ืฉื™ื ืจืืฉื•ืŸ ื”ื•ื ืœื›ื ืœื—ื“ืฉื™ ื”ืฉื ื” adds up to 2658 just as

    ื›ืžื” ืชืฉืขื” ื•ืขืฉืจื™ื ื•ืžื—ืฆื” ื™ื•ื ื•ืชืฉืฆื’ ื—ืœืงื™ื indicating the time of the molad”
    I’ll take your word that it equal 2658, but I dont understand the significance of 2658

    #1563909

    laskern
    Participant

    The number 2658 is not the significance but the fact they both add up to the same gematria which reveals to you how to calculate the molad. What are the chances of that? It is a hint that our calculation is correct.

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    #1563912

    ubiquitin
    Participant

    Never mind Laskern
    I got it.
    I couldnt figure out why ื›ืžื” was in there, I see you need it to make it fit. I though the 2658 somehow represented 29/12/793 which wouldve been more interesting
    Seems obvious now, sorry for the question

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