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  • #616861
    👑RebYidd23
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    A big, fat jerk.

    #1137584
    akuperma
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    He is reprising his role as a “jerk” from his television show. His “character” was good for ratings, and is good for ratings now. Whether that will get him elected president is a different issue. Other actors who have gone into politics, e.g. Al Franken, gave up their role when they went into politics (Ronald Reagan for the most part didn’t, but one should note that Reagan had been typecast as a “nice guy” so he didn’t really need to change). Whether Mr. Trump is a “jerk” in real life is questionable, since jerks rarely are successful in business relationships.

    It is quite possible that over the course of the election Trump will change his character to be more “presidential” (nice guy, thoughtful, etc.) – for him it is only a matter of acting and writing. It’s also possible the one of the other three candidate who appear to be serious at this point (based on preliminary polling), Cruz, Rubio and Carson, might become more “out spoken” and angry, in otherwords Trump-like.

    One should note that based on polling, Cruz, Rubio and Carson are running even with Clinton, whereas Trump would lose by a landslide, and as the primaries get closer that may prove to be a deciding factor (why channel yhour anger in a way that elects Hillary, if there are other almost as angry alternatives).

    #1137585
    charliehall
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    That is the least of his problems. He is also an anti-vaxxer Obama birther climate change denier nativist bigot with a history of horrible business ethics who spouts anti-Semitic stereotypes and refuses to call out the racists and anti-Semites among is supporters. Stormfront loves him (and hates Hillary Clinton).

    Trump also failed to support the renewal of the bill providing health care for the 9/11 responders. (Among the Republicans, only Graham, Huckabee, Pataki, and Rubio did the right thing.)

    #1137586
    Joseph
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    Hillary is a bigger jerk. For all his many faults, and he has many, I’d take Trump over Clinton, who has immeasurably more and bigger faults than Trump, any day of the week.

    #1137587
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    I really hope those aren’t our choices.

    #1137588
    DikDukDuck
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    Don’t worry, whatever he wants Congress won’t let.

    #1137589
    mw13
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    #1137590
    homer
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    Ai Ai Ai Charlie,

    Liberalism=Machala Sheayn Bo Refuah

    #1137591

    Hillary Clinton is a bigger jerk and if elected to be president would be even worse than Obama

    Trump is free entertainment and enjoy him while he lasts. He was transferred from the political section of the newspaper to the entertainment section already six months ago

    #1137592
    akuperma
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    charliehall: 1) Do you have a reason to believe he didn’t have his kids vaccinated? 2) If he’s an anti-Semite, how does he get along with his son-in-law; 3) If he’s a nativist, he’s self-hating since he’s definitely a descendant of Ellis Island, rather than “old stock”; 4) Most Americans are opposed to castrating the world’s economy in the hope that it will reverse a global warming trend that has been going on consistently since prehistoric times, and will probably continue regardless of what the American taxpayers do, and frankly isn’t such a bad thing (warmer weather means less snow and ice, less floods in the spring, milder hurricane seasons due to a decrease in temperature differentials between tropics and temperate climates, less need for people to flee south for the winter, longer growing seasons);5) Why should the Federal government have a special program for 9-11 responders since they are covered under their employer’s health care and workers’ compensation programs. — Enjoy being mad at Trump for being politically incorrect, as he might become less entertaining as the election approaches based on what polls tell him to say and what his scrip writers give him to work with.

    #1137593
    Health
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    Charlie -“(and hates Hillary Clinton”

    That is a good thing! The only reason the liberal Jews like Hillary is because she promised money to Yeshivos. Why don’t they go for Sanders? Jewish hypocrits!

    #1137594
    squeak
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    Zaphod Beeblebrox was the best president the galaxy has ever seen. Trump may be his equal.

    #1137595
    screwdriverdelight
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    Hillary would make a better president than Donald, but, Donald would probably have a decent cabinet, so I would vote for him.

    #1137596
    apushatayid
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    Since when is being a jerk an impediment to the presidency.

    #1137597
    charliehall
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    “why channel yhour anger in a way that elects Hillary”

    Because she would be a better President than most of the Republicans running.

    #1137598
    charliehall
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    “Why should the Federal government have a special program for 9-11 responders since they are covered under their employer’s health care and workers’ compensation programs”

    Because it is a communal obligation on society to help those who served us. It is similar to our veterans. Besides, the government (the Bush Administration) lied to them and told them the site was safe.

    #1137599
    charliehall
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    “he’s an anti-Semite”

    Trump is NOT an anti-Semite. But neither was Mussolini. That didn’t work out well.

    #1137600
    charliehall
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    “Do you have a reason to believe he didn’t have his kids vaccinated? “

    No. His kids were grown before he started spouting the anti-vaccination nonsense. As a result, children will die.

    #1137601
    charliehall
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    ” If he’s a nativist, he’s self-hating since he’s definitely a descendant of Ellis Island, rather than “old stock” “

    You may be right. He may be just an old fashioned racist rather than a nativist.

    #1137602
    charliehall
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    “a global warming trend that has been going on consistently since prehistoric times”

    Actually that is not true. The earth got COLDER between about 1400 and 1600. And the consequences of doing nothing could be catastrophic. A single hurricane in NYC caused $50 billion in damage. Now, imagine that storm with the sea level just a few feet higher — South Brooklyn, South Staten Island, and the Rockaway Peninsula are gone. (Interestingly, those areas mostly vote Republican!) South Florida is doomed and so is the entire Mississippi River south of Baton Rouge, which combines to be America’s largest port. Bangladesh will have a hundred million Muslims pouring into India and Myanmar. The Pacific Island nations that consistently vote for Israel at the UN will cease to exist. I could go on and on. It is NOT doing something that could destroy the world economy, with the US first.

    #1137603
    Health
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    Charlie -“Because she would be a better President than most of the Republicans running.”

    How do you know? Are you a Novi? B’zman Sheh Bais Hamikdash etc…

    Keep up with your socialist/communist agenda/propaganda!

    I’ll tell you one thing – if there is a DemonKratic pres. & there is a war, the Western World is finished!

    #1137604
    👑RebYidd23
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    Name calling really makes your argument more convincing.

    #1137605
    Neville ChaimBerlin
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    For those saying “he’s just an entertainer,” what will you say if he takes Iowa and New Hampshire? At what point do you start considering him a legitimate candidate?

    One thing the liberals here and I have in common is that we’re actually taking him seriously. If you like him, you should be happy from the polls. If you don’t like him, you should be afraid. You can’t just keep turning the blind eye and spouting that he’s just a joke candidate. It’s time to start taking it seriously, whether you like it or not.

    “I’ll tell you one thing – if there is a DemonKratic pres. & there is a war, the Western World is finished!”

    I don’t agree that it’s that simple. Fiorina and Christie both want to shoot down Russian planes. I actually think the West would have a worse chance of survival with them than with any of the Democrats. And, if you’ve read enough of my posts here you know I’m not the type to advocate for liberalism.

    #1137606
    ubiquitin
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    Neville

    “what will you say if he takes Iowa and New Hampshire?”

    I highly doubt he will take Iowa. Once he loses Iowa he is a “Loser” which int he Trump Lexicon is worse than a socialist-islamic-kenyan.

    ” At what point do you start considering him a legitimate candidate?”

    I f he somehow does win Iowa

    That said there is zero chance of him winning a general election.

    #1137607

    neville

    welcome to today’s new generation. the people today dont use their brain, they will vote for trump cause they like the way he speaks and the entertainment it comes with etc… so why not vote for him & enjoythe entertainment for 4 more years. this is the crazy generation we are living in

    on my side, i will enjoy his entertainment until the last minute but i will never vote for trump. you need to use your brain….

    #1137608
    Health
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    Neville -“Fiorina and Christie both want to shoot down Russian planes. I actually think the West would have a worse chance of survival with them than with any of the Democrats.”

    Maybe with those two, but I don’t think that they’ll win the Republican nomination. The West’s only chance of survival is with a Republican president!

    #1137609
    akuperma
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    charliehall:

    1. Climate varies. You just admitted it. All the “panic” is based on the assumption that the climate in the early modern period was the “normal” when in fact it was unusually cold. The climate alarmists are similar to someone who notices that temperatures in July are higher than Feburary and expect the increase will continue indefinitely.

    2. Global warming will lead to less intensive storms since the difference between regions will be less. Bad zoning is what caused the damage from Sandy and Katrina. If one builds in a flood plain or on the coast, one has to expect floods and storms.

    3. Think about all the people living in the area between Long Island and Connecticut when it flooded (it used to be a plain). And the poor people in Alaska who could no longer visit their family in Siberia. And look how disruptive it was when the land between Dover and Calais flooded. Do you believe that was caused by cavemen buring too much carbon?

    #1137610
    oyoy
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    What does jerk mean?

    #1137611
    👑RebYidd23
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    Climate change is normal, but the various life-forms inhabiting this planet must adapt.

    #1137612
    ubiquitin
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    Btw neville the math is heavily stacked against trump. Many states, especially the early ones divide their delegates proportionaly so even if trump comes in first place he doesnt get all that states delegates.

    Then of course there are the superdelegates many of whom are republican insiders who obviously will do anything they can to block trump.

    Bottom line even if he wins a few priamaries/caucuses the odds of him getting enough delegates to actually win the nomination are negligible.

    Sorry Hillary.

    #1137613
    Avram in MD
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    charliehall,

    Because she would be a better President than most of the Republicans running.

    Out of curiosity, seeing that you wrote “most” instead of “any”, which of the Republican candidates do you feel would potentially be an equally good or better president than Clinton?

    #1137614
    Avram in MD
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    akuperma,

    milder hurricane seasons due to a decrease in temperature differentials between tropics and temperate climates

    Given that tropical cyclones develop in barotropic (i.e., the temperature distribution is uniform) environments, why would a reduced temperature gradient between the tropics and mid-latitudes have any effect on their frequency or intensity?

    #1137615
    Neville ChaimBerlin
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    ubiquitin: You’re proving my point. The RNC has assured many times over that they won’t let the delegates keep the people’s favorite from being the nominee. As much as I hate them, I believe them in this case. And if you want to talk about not winning the general, nothing could be worse going into the general election than a candidate forced on Republican voters by delegates.

    I’m not asking anyone to like Trump. But, the way to win is not to close your eyes and pretend your enemy doesn’t exist. He is posed to take New Hampshire and South Carolina, and he’s the national favorite. Yes, he might lose Iowa. Don’t act like Iowa predicts who the nominee will be. History has not shown that to be the case. History also has not shown that polls are necessarily accurate for Iowa given their caucus system.

    #1137616
    Neville ChaimBerlin
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    Health: I know that neither of those two will get the nomination. I agree with you for the most part, but there are anomalies. We should vote for policies not for parties. For a totally impossible, hypothetical example to my point, say the general election came down to John Kasich vs. Jim Webb. The conservative candidate would be the Democrat, and the liberal candidate would be the Republican. But, as you will probably point out, there’s a reason such situations never occur.

    #1137617
    Health
    Participant

    Neville -“We should vote for policies not for parties.”

    Very funny!!! Once upon a time, the Frum Jews voted for Democrats, but that time is long gone. Nowadays even the Republicans are too liberal, but what choice is there!?!

    #1137618
    ubiquitin
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    Neville

    “I believe them in this case”

    you cant be serious.

    “nothing could be worse going into the general election than a candidate forced on Republican voters by delegates.”

    i hear though Im not sure how much Republican voters care about the primary process. And besides, there is something worse and that is:Trump

    “But, the way to win is not to close your eyes and pretend your enemy doesn’t exist.”

    I’m not sure what you mean by that. Many are in a panic that he might win. Its comforting to know that mathematically it is improbable.

    “yes, he might lose Iowa…”

    He will lose Iowa. And not just because of polls, It is hard to imaging a 4 times married unscrupulous flaming liberal until recently who made his money off casinos winning a state like Iowa. and with that he is a “Loser” one of the most dreaded words in the Trump lexicon he will rapidly lose steam.

    #1137619
    mw13
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    From Politico:

    Trump is often criticized for statements that have little to no basis in fact. For example, no video has been found showing “thousands” of Muslim-Americans celebrating the 9/11 attacks, as the Republican presidential candidate has claimed repeatedly.

    #1137620
    Neville ChaimBerlin
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    How can a person argue that a candidate who gets the nomination by popular choice would fare worse in an election than some RNC crony forced on us? Of course voters care about the primary process. It’s an infinitely more democratic part our government than the general election.

    Mw13: You lost me at “from Politico.”

    #1137621
    ubiquitin
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    Neville

    “How can a person argue that a candidate who gets the nomination by popular choice would fare worse in an election than some RNC crony forced on us? “

    Because to win a general election you cant ely on “us” if only Republicans vote the gOP cant win. you need independents/etc as well. There is no chance of Trump getting enough of them to win a general election. Common sense, election history, polls etc etc etc all tell us this.

    Do you think Trump can win a general election?

    Very few people vote in priamtries. If say, Rubio is forced on them what do you think will happen, they will vote for Hillary? They will sit out and let her win? Sure those die hards may be upset but at least the gOP will stand a chance.

    #1137622
    👑RebYidd23
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    I think a lot of people want a president who isn’t a Republican or Democrat. But third party candidates are so unlikely to win they’re considered a joke, so nobody votes for them because they think they won’t win so they’d rather vote for a winner.

    #1137623
    charliehall
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    “Once upon a time, the Frum Jews voted for Democrats, but that time is long gone. “

    The Republican Jewish Coalition 2012 nationwide exit poll showed Obama beating Romney by 4% among Orthodox Jews.

    Teaneck and Riverdale both voted 70% for Obama.

    #1137624
    nishtdayngesheft
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    “The Republican Jewish Coalition 2012 nationwide exit poll showed Obama beating Romney by 4% among Orthodox Jews.

    Teaneck and Riverdale both voted 70% for Obama”

    Not sure how often this has to be reiterated, OO is not Orthodox. And it is now wonder that they voted for phony, it fits right in with their whole philosophy.

    #1137625
    Neville ChaimBerlin
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    While I suspect that the polls Charlie cited probably included anyone who self-identifies as Orthodox (which obviously includes many who really aren’t), he didn’t specifically say anything about the OO, so I don’t see how that can be used as a rebuttal. He’s right. Yeah. I said it. Charlie is right. There are still many Orthodox Jews who vote left. I can’t begin to understand it, but it is what it is.

    Ubiquitin: “If say, Rubio is forced on them what do you think will happen, they will vote for Hillary? “

    I would. Many many conservatives wouldn’t vote in such a situation. I would either vote Hillary, or a third party candidate if there were one in such a case.

    #1137626
    ubiquitin
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    Neville

    It is hard to imagine too many people voting for the hated Hillary over say Rubio just to stick it to the GOP. Granted many wouldnt vote, but they would proabbly be less than those who wouldnt vote for Trump.

    Do you think trump can win a general election?

    #1137627
    rabbiofberlin
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    Neville Chaimberlin: Trump is a fascist and a demagogue. If this is the kind of man that the GOP voters want to be President, count me as a Democrat. He is no different than Hitler ,Mussolini and all the other hateful xenophobes. Look up news clips from Hitler or watch some movies abut him. Hitler and the germans too spoke about “being betrayed”, “making the country great again”, attacking all foreigners and more. Demagogues like Trump appeal to the darkest,basest feelings of people and he has unleashed hatred into the mainstream. He has introduced poison into our political and civil discourse. And, if you think that those people cheering Trump on only hate the Hispanics and the Arabs, think again. They are also white supremacists and virulent anti-semites. Trump is destroying the GOP and is a real danger to this country.

    #1137628
    Joseph
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    “Teaneck and Riverdale both voted 70% for Obama.”

    Neither Teaneck nor Riverdale are majority Orthodox Jewish.

    #1137629
    Avram in MD
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    Neville ChaimBerlin,

    How can a person argue that a candidate who gets the nomination by popular choice would fare worse in an election than some RNC crony forced on us?

    Because in the general election, the “us” expands from just registered Republicans to the entire American electorate. And in a recent Quinnipiac poll, 50% of registered voters indicated that they would be embarrassed by a Trump presidency.

    Ubiquitin: “If say, Rubio is forced on them what do you think will happen, they will vote for Hillary? “

    I would.

    Really?? Seriously? You’d cut off your nose to spite your face like that? And here all this time I thought you were a conservative on principle.

    #1137630
    cherrybim
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    Let’s not forget the huge embrace and kiss that Hillary presented to Suha Arafat. And let’s not forget the forty-five minute scolding she gave to Nitanyahu concerning the building of additional housing in Eretz Yisroel. So much for the making of a great president.

    #1137631
    rabbiofberlin
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    cherrybim: and let us not forget that the darling of the right. Trump. refused JUST DAYS AGO to declare that jerusalem should not be divided, and let us not forget that Trump, JUST DAYS AGO, said that he expected Israel to continue making “sacrifices” for the peace process. Trump is NOT a conservative and surely is not one who will support Israel. IF – G-d forbid- he ever becomes President, he will act like the bully that he is and try to force israel to do things that will jeopardize its security. Trump is a danger to Israel and a calamity for the Republican Party.

    #1137632
    2scents
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    Trump is brilliant, he gets free advertising just stirs up some controversy and everyone reads about him, No day goes by without him being in the news, whatever they write positive or negative as long as he is discussed he is getting publicity and its helping him.

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