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  • #1812588

    banjobob
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    has anyone ever donated a kidney or another organ? what is it like? how old were you? were your parents/spouse ok with it? I really want to become a kidney donor, but I still have a few years to go until I am old enough. Any advice??

    #1812844

    huju
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    The OP sounds young. Life with only one kidney is dangerous, as you may lose the one kidney in an accident or illness. Save your kidneys for yourself and your family. And your kidneys are likely to match the blood and tissue types of a family member in need.

    I know a father who gave a kidney to his son. If dad had given it to strangers or an “organ bank” at a young age, his son might have had to wait for a suitable donor, or never have received the needed kidney.

    Donating organs is not like donating blood. Blood grows back, organs don’t.

    #1812847

    🍫Syag Lchochma
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    I could not disagree more with huju. And having sat thru all the appointments with a donor i have to say the facts don’t agree with him either. Contact Renewal and get educated instead of gathering opinions from us.

    #1812895

    Joseph
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    Syag, what part of huju’s comment is factually incorrect?

    #1812909

    CTLAWYER
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    My BIL rec’d a cadaver kidney. His body rejected it after 20 years. By that time his son had become an adult with children of his own. 15 years ago my nephew donated a kidney to d=save his father’s life. B”H donor and donee are doing well.
    A familial donor is always the choice for less chance of organ rejection

    #1812910

    🍫Syag Lchochma
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    Renewal (718) 431-9831

    #1812918

    Reb Eliezer
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    huju, see Yechaveh Daas 3,84 discussing this question in detail.

    #1812914

    Milhouse
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    The halacha says that until a person is 20 years old, he is not mature enough to sell real estate that he inherited from his father. How much more so is such a person not mature enough to give away vital organs, parts of himself that Hashem gave him in case he ch”v needs them. So definitely wait until you are 20, and only then start considering it seriously.

    Organ donation is a mitzvah but it’s not for everyone. It’s a major step that will limit your options for the rest of your life, so once you are 20 you must be very very sure this is what you want to do before you do it. Consult wiser people, people with more experience than you, talmidei chachomim and tzadikim, and pray for Hashem to guide you to the right decision. And if the result of all that deliberation is that you truly believe this is what Hashem wants you to do, then behatzlocho.

    #1812934

    ubiquitin
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    “It’s a major step that will limit your options for the rest of your life,”

    What option does it limit (other than the ability to donate in the future) ?

    ” what part of huju’s comment is factually incorrect?”

    Both parts for example
    ” Life with only one kidney is dangerous, as you may lose the one kidney in an accident or illness.”
    The odds of an accident or injury affecting one kidney is rare. Far to rare to call it “dangerous”

    (that isnt to say there isnt an increased risk of kidney disease and hypertension in the donor, as there is)

    Bottom line is discuss it with people who know what they are talking about

    #1813008

    Milhouse
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    What option does it limit (other than the ability to donate in the future) ?

    It requires you to avoid risks that a normal person with a spare kidney can afford to take.

    #1813018

    🍫Syag Lchochma
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    “It requires you to avoid risks that a normal person with a spare kidney can afford to take.”

    such as?

    #1813024

    huju
    Participant

    To SyagLechochma: I infer from your comment that you received a kidney from a non-family donor. I am glad you did. How old was the donor when he/she made the donation, and how many children did he/she have at the time of the donation?

    #1813026

    🍫Syag Lchochma
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    huju – B”H I have not had any health issues. I did offer to donate a kidney to my father when he was on dialysis but he refused for the same inaccuracies that you expressed. Unfortunately for us both.
    I have several friends who have donated kidneys, one of my friends son’s donated to his young brother, two friends who were recipients and my husband was a partial liver donor. My husband was the father of 9 at the time, one friend was the mother of 4 or 5 (I don’t remember exactly) , one the father of 1, one single. (That’s off the top of my head, and I feel like I am forgetting someone.)

    #1813072

    ubiquitin
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    “It requires you to avoid risks that a normal person with a spare kidney can afford to take.”

    Source please. I have never counseled a patient to avoid any risk that a “normal person” with a “spare kidney” can partake in.

    What should they avoid?

    #1813217

    Meno
    Participant

    Source please. I have never counseled a patient to avoid any risk that a “normal person” with a “spare kidney” can partake in.

    What should they avoid?

    Donating a kidney

    #1813296

    Reb Eliezer
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    Meno, did you see the reference above in Yechaveh Daas 3,84 from Rav Ovadya Yosef ztz’l?

    #1813300

    Meno
    Participant

    Meno, did you see the reference above in Yechaveh Daas 3,84 from Rav Ovadya Yosef ztz’l?

    No. Does he say you’re allowed to donate 2 kidneys?

    (Just to explain, I was making a joke. Ubiquitin said that he was unaware of anything that a kidney donor should avoid. I was responding that kidney donors should avoid donating a kidney, because then they will have donated two kidneys, which is not advisable.)

    #1813302

    Reb Eliezer
    Participant

    Meno, I don’t get it. Why can’t you donate one kidney?

    #1813305

    Meno
    Participant

    Meno, I don’t get it. Why can’t you donate one kidney?

    You can, but you shouldn’t donate two kidneys.

    (Just to explain further, when I said that a kidney donor should avoid donating a kidney, I meant he shouldn’t do so AFTER he had already donated a kidney, because then he will have donated TWO kidneys, and that leaves only one kidney left.)

    #1813316

    🍫Syag Lchochma
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    Reb Eliezer – he was making a joke. Someone made the ridiculous comment that a kidney donor would have to avoid some things a normal person can do. A poster asked what someone who already donated a kidney would have to avoid and Meno said, donating a kidney.

    #1813345

    ubiquitin
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    Meno
    Lol you are of course correct, I hope no patient I advised so poorly misunderstood…

    #1813431

    Joseph
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    Meno, I’m shocked that you would make light of such a serious topic.

    #1813489

    CTLAWYER
    Participant

    @meno
    A kidney donor can donate a second kidney as a cadaver donor

    #1813502

    Joseph
    Participant

    CTL, it is prohibited to remove any parts from a meis.

    If it is for the express purpose of saving a specific Yid, there might be a heter.

    #1813569

    Reb Eliezer
    Participant

    Joseph, there is a heter. If you can be mechalel shabbos for pikuach nefesh, you can be certainly take his kidney. Hashem will create new kidneys for him when he becomes alive. See the Noda Beyehuda, who is matir when the person being saved is infront of us.

    #1813627

    Joseph
    Participant

    Reb Eliezer: Right. If the recipient is a specific Yid. Not if it is a general donation to whoever is next on the national registry.

    #1822532

    Jzq
    Participant

    Hey banjobob I might tell gave that u want to donate

    #1822562

    I know a father who gave a kidney to his son. If dad had given it to strangers or an “organ bank” at a young age, his son might have had to wait for a suitable donor, or never have received the needed kidney.

    True (although a child usually has 2 parents). However, if kidney donation
    was widely understood to be low-risk, it might be easier to find a match.

    (Just to explain further, when I said that a kidney donor should avoid donating a kidney, I meant he shouldn’t do so AFTER he had already donated a kidney, because then he will have donated TWO kidneys, and that leaves only one kidney left.)

    And definitely don’t donate your third and last kidney. : )

    #1822631

    2scents
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    The kidneys are amazing with so many important functions. Sometimes we do not fully appreciate its value until we see someone that is has a dysfunctional kidney.

    Each kidney has about 1million nephrons which filter and reabsorbs the blood. The kidneys maintain normal arterial pressure (or increase BP as needed for compensation), hydration, they manage electrolyte balance, get rid of toxins and waste products the kidneys also act as a buffer for some of the cellular byproducts.

    About 180L of fluids are filtered by the kidneys every single day!

    #1822642

    CTLAWYER
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    @joseph
    The cadaver (I won’t use the word meis) was a 24 year old goy who was killed in a motorcycle accident (no helmet). The issur does not apply to goyim who are npot bound by halacha.

    #1822813

    Jzq
    Participant

    Btw banjobob I meant gavs

    #1822815

    Milhouse
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    Ubiquitin asked what risks a kidney donor needs to avoid. Besides high-risk sports, a kidney donor needs to take extra care to avoid dehydration, should somewhat limit protein intake, avoid or limit certain prescription drugs that are an acceptable risk for people with two kidneys, and basically have to look after themselves more carefully than they did before. When you’re 20 years old and feeling invulnerable these are not considerations that come naturally to mind. (Certainly not when you’re under 20 and reckless.) So you have to consciously sit down and consider that one day, with Hashem’s help, you will be middle aged and then elderly, and you won’t have the safety margin that you were designed to have. It’s really as simple as that. Consider carefully, consult widely, and then make your decision.

    #1822869

    ubiquitin
    Participant

    Millhouse

    “Besides high-risk sports, a kidney donor needs to take extra care to avoid dehydration, should somewhat limit protein intake, avoid or limit certain prescription drugs that are an acceptable risk for people with two kidneys,’

    do you have any source for this?

    I have counseled and cared for many patients both donors and recipients and am not aware of any data that supports this do you have any source for these assertions?

    I don’t even understand the logic of some of these recommendations. Take “high-risk sports” I assume the logic is that those with 2 kidneys have a spare should one get damaged in high risk sports.

    so should those with one liver avoid high risk sports?

    I’m not saying it is risk free, but that doesnt mean risks need to be invented

    #1822904

    🍫Syag Lchochma
    Participant

    Ubiq- thanks, you beat me to it. I was just going to say that he is giving more restrictions than the transplant team gives. But I would guess by the wording he took it from a website.

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