October 6, 2019 3:13 pm at 3:13 pm #1791509
Many of the private sellers on Amazon are Frum Yidden trying to make Parnossah including many private label products. Before you leave a negative review on a seller or product you should consider the consequences of hurting a Yid’s livelihood.
Unfortunately, some Frum sellers are using the review system on Amazon not only to dishonestly boost their own sales but to also harm the sales of other sellers. My relative sells a non-kosher snack on Amazon as a private label product. His main competitor is a heimisher Yid from Brooklyn who somehow has many 5 star reviews left by heimisher yidden about how great his (non kosher) product tastes. That would be dishonest but thast’s his cheshbon, nows he’s begun leaving 1 star reviews on my relative’s non kosher product stating how bad it tastes left by heimisher people. Obviously, these are all false reviews left by a scam service or WhatsApp group run by frum Yidden that promote & destroy Amazon listings by leaving false reviews. Chaim & Moishe aren’t buying non kosher snacks on Amazon to snack on, they are buying them to leave a bad review & then return the item.
I’m being dan lkaf zechus that they don’t realize they are hurting a fellow Yid, but even to an Aino Yehudi this is terrible behavior. I hope the Yidden engaging in this behavior do Teshuvah & refrain from this Hashchosah.October 6, 2019 8:24 pm at 8:24 pm #1791573JosephParticipant
Is a Yid even allowed to sell treif food if he doesn’t know that the customer isn’t Jewish? He’s likely feeding treif to Yidden.October 6, 2019 8:26 pm at 8:26 pm #1791588
I’m not sure what kind of scam you are talking about since the post is a bit confusing. So some ostensibly ehrlicher yidden first posted phony reviews on your shviger’s competitor’s amazon website telling the world that the treifus snacks he sold were delicious and then moved on to your shviger’s own website complaining that his chazerfleish didn’t taste nearly as good??? First, while its not assur for a frum yid to sell treifus to goyim, how does he know that some of his customers aren’t yidden who don’t know better. In simple terms, I have my own issues with a frum yid selling treifus online where he doesn’t know his customers. Separately, such phony reviews are a violation of Amazon’s terms of service and if your Shivger’s competitor is found to be complicit, he/she can be thrown off the website permanently.October 6, 2019 8:27 pm at 8:27 pm #1791609Amil ZolaParticipant
I purchase items on Amazon that are offered by third parties. I have no way of knowing if the seller is a yid.October 6, 2019 8:28 pm at 8:28 pm #1791611bk613Participant
If your relative has actual proof that this is going on why doesn’t he file a complaint with Amazon (after speaking to a Rav first)October 6, 2019 10:44 pm at 10:44 pm #1791669
bk613…….In most cases, one amazon seller would not know if the other seller posting fraudulent reviews is a yid or a goy. Assuming, arguendo, he has a suspicions, he should warn the other seller of his intention to file a complaint with Amazon unless it stops immediately. If it continues, than I’m not sure why he/she would need to involve a Rav. Amazon is not the police and an offender will not be thrown into jail. The worse case scenario is that he/she (and affiliated posters) will lose their ability to post fraudulent ads.October 6, 2019 11:00 pm at 11:00 pm #1791671
The snacks are not actually treif, it does not have a hechsher & no frum Yid would eat it. Otherwise, there would be a serious halachic question if it can be sold.October 6, 2019 11:22 pm at 11:22 pm #1791673
There is no way to prove a review is illegitimate on Amazon, Amazon always sides with the customer over the seller. Leaving fraudulent reviews is illegal on Amazon but there are ways to game the system. My point is that those who are gaming the system are also (possibly unknowingly) damaging the Parnassah of other Yidden. I hope people take this issue more seriously now that I’ve made this public.October 7, 2019 3:25 pm at 3:25 pm #1791825lakewhutParticipant
Most bad reviews aren’t trolls. Reviews are meant for feedback. If you don’t listen to your customers, don’t sell.October 7, 2019 3:25 pm at 3:25 pm #1791824bk613Participant
“I’m not sure why he/she would need to involve a Rav. Amazon is not the police and an offender will not be thrown into jail.
I would imagine Amazon would permanently ban the seller posting the fake reviews. I would hope one would consult a Rav before taking action that would likely destroy someone’s parnassa.October 7, 2019 6:43 pm at 6:43 pm #1791858
If a seller is deliberately posting fake reviews on a yid’s website to destroy the parnassah of a legitimate seller, yid or goy, WHY is that ganof entitled to special consideration?? If you observed someone robbing your “brick and mortar” store, you would call the police immediately and not consult your rebbe to determine if the ganof perhaps has milah. Why should a virtual store be different??October 7, 2019 9:24 pm at 9:24 pm #1791900Shimon NodelParticipant
I used to deliver uber eats, and many times I would deliver non kosher food to secular Jews. I asked a sheila and I it’s mutar because they know that it’s not kosher and they’d get it anyway.October 18, 2019 1:26 am at 1:26 am #1793458
I think you can sell to anonymous customers because the majority of customers are non-Jews.October 18, 2019 1:26 am at 1:26 am #1793459
I would deliver non kosher food to secular Jews. I asked a sheila and
it’s mutar because they know that it’s not kosher and they’d get it anyway.
They’d get it even without you, or they’re getting it despite knowing it’s not kosher?October 18, 2019 1:27 am at 1:27 am #1793460
If you observed someone robbing your “brick and mortar” store, you would call the
police immediately and not consult your rebbe to determine if the ganof perhaps has milah. (This strange phrasing seems designed to denigrate…)
Is this true, though? Can someone tell us the actual halachah for when you
see your property being stolen by someone who is noticeably a frum Jew?
(He’s not a true Scotsman, of course, but what can you do.)October 18, 2019 8:04 am at 8:04 am #1793484JosephParticipant
Random: If it is after the fact you certainly cannot report the thief to the secular authorities.
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