July 22, 2015 11:05 pm at 11:05 pm #1092545
When Dov Lipman was called a rasha many on this forum took issue with it. Please note, this is a man who openly derided chazal, a man who according to chazal would probably be considered an apokoires( ????? ?? ???? ?? ????.. ) and yet here we are so quick to classify NK as reshaim based on our assumptions.July 23, 2015 1:06 am at 1:06 am #1092546zahavasdadParticipant
It wasnt an assumption that NK have participated more than once at an event on Shabbos. There are pictures and videos of them doing so. They even freely admit soJuly 23, 2015 1:20 am at 1:20 am #1092547
Which of the melachos is violated by standing or walking in a march on Shabbos?
I find them attending any rally on Shabbos to be totally untoward and wrong.
But if you accuse it of being chillul Shabbos, you need to identify what exactly about walking is c”S. If it is only about carrying signs, then it would only be applicable to those who carried it and only if there is no town eiruv. If there’s another thing that’s a halachic violation of Shabbos, then identify what it is. I haven’t read any identified thus far.
My vote is completely with sushibagel on this discussion.July 23, 2015 1:40 am at 1:40 am #1092548
It WAS an assumption that they were machalel shabbos at these events, it WAS an assumption that were machalel shabbos to get to these events.July 23, 2015 2:48 am at 2:48 am #1092549kj chusidParticipant
If u wouldn’t be such idiots u would actually watch a video of a shabbes rally and notice while walking
Goiyim hold the signs
They walk alongJuly 23, 2015 4:06 am at 4:06 am #1092550Sam2Participant
Joseph: If you want to be photographed/videoed while you’re there, it’s probably Ksiva, maybe even D’oraisa. R’ Schachter actually holds that it’s Mechikah D’Oraisa.July 23, 2015 4:25 am at 4:25 am #1092551
Sam: Many shuls have videos recording 24 hours on Shabbos. In NY, including in many frum neighborhoods, there are 24/7 videocameras all over the streets. Many homes have CCTV. On previous discussions various sources were cited permitting walking in an area that is being video recorded.July 23, 2015 4:31 am at 4:31 am #1092552☕ DaasYochid ☕Participant
That’s why Sam highlighted the fact that they want to be videoed.July 23, 2015 4:35 am at 4:35 am #1092553
He’s making an assumption that they want to be videoed. Do people with home CCTV or shul CCTV want to be videoed?July 23, 2015 6:00 am at 6:00 am #1092554tirtzaParticipant
My gosh people! it’s 3 days until Tisha B’Av! can’t we, at least, during THIS TIME, stop judging who the “rasha” is? If you stretch your mind a little, you could find some leniency for each one.
The thread originator asked, “am I delaying the Moisiach?”
My answer is, “Yes, but we all are.”
I’ll leave that term for the real rashaim, the non-Jews, who oppress our people.
May we soon love one another and soon see Tisha B’Av turned into a great holiday. Amen.July 23, 2015 11:34 am at 11:34 am #1092555
That’s besides the fact that it’s not a clear issur.
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