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The issue is, something we don’t really know. the army people who analyze needs for defense, maybe they have determined that more soldiers are needed. We are speculating by saying the army needs or doesn’t need more soldiers.
When I was there in the army for a little over 1 year, i said then that it appeared to me that alot of people weren’t really needed speaking from day to day observation.
So I would agree the Chareidim which dont want to server, they are not needed (back then).
My question is this, if new political realities have determined that for example, they need to guard borders more carefully than before and fore that they need lets say 20k people,
shouldn’t they the army experts, not Bibi, go to the Gedoleim from the Chareidi communities, and explain and show via technical examples, why 20k people are now needed.
Would they Gedolim still have a problem with drafting Chareimdim at this special time with provision that
they can cancel this in the future if the Matzav goes back to the past where not so many people are needed.
Of course things like separate bases and units with no Kol Isha and Torah learning opportunities would be needed. Possibly they can agree to no women permanent assigned to these bases.
would there still be oppostion to these soldiers in such a matzav,
again we are assuming my speculation is correct that due to new political climate etc.
The Generals have publicly stated on the record that the Army is doing perfectly fine currently as it is without the Chareidim and they’ve clearly and unambiguously stated that the Army DOES NOT NEED THE CHAREIDIM.
They could not be clearer. What is so difficult to understand about that point?
They said the one and only reason they want to draft the Chareidim is for political reasons for the chilonim.
Capice?
1. No one claims the army is short on manpower. That’s not an issue.
2. Israel has a serious demographic “time bomb” and many hilonim hope that after spending three years in the army at ages 18-21, many hareidim will chose to follow a “normal” lifestyle, thereby eliminating the threat of hareidim becoming a dominant group in Israel. The whole idea of zionism is to build a “modern” secular state, and that isn’t possible unless something can be done to reduce the number of hareidim. If hareidim keep having large families, and if only a small number go “off the derekh” (and many non-hareidim become baalei tseuvah), the zionist dream is dead.
3. For those who see Torah and Mitsvos as the basis of being Jewish, the yeshiva students are bearing the burden of national survival, giving up much parnassah to learn frull time, whereas the hilomim are deadbeats contributing nothing to Jewish survival.
4. Even if you ignore a gemara that says that if the malchus wants to call you to the army, and you are learning, you can use lethal force to defend yourself – some people hold that establishing a secular Jewish state, which rejects Jewish law and tradition as its basis, is not only not required by halacha, but is in fact prohibited. If that is the case, we are the “rodfim” and the Palestinians are the “nirdafim”, and we are prohibited from killing them or destroying their property meaning service in the IDF is prohibited. In the past people with these views, who may be a fairly high percentage of the hareidim community, have not needed to confront the zionists since they were exempted from the army by claiming they were in yeshiva (the Israelis require very little time in Beis Medrash to be a full time student – most Baal ha-Battim spend close to the required time even if they don’t aspire to be Bnei Torah).
When the draft issue came up a while ago, Knesset members were trying to ram down the others’ throats to pass legislation to draft Chareidim. They were doing it so hurriedly like it was a national security issue. Then, a Chief General of the IDF was brought in the Knesset to speak. And you know what he said? WE DON’T NEED THEM, WE DON’T WANT THEM!
Most thing the compromise will be national service.
Limud Torah IS national service.
Limud HaTorah is international service.
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