February 27, 2012 6:31 am at 6:31 am #602237geshmak drinkMember
I have a kasha for the oilem. I enjoy drinking lechaim/s (make that 2-4) at simchas and shabbos and times that i need to be besimcha. I’m trying to understand if I am doing something wrong and if the geshmak I get out of the drink is a form of addiction. Can I be completely under control but still feel the extra dose of Simcha or are these two statements contradicting one and other? I would love some clarity.February 27, 2012 1:35 pm at 1:35 pm #856936ED IT ORParticipant
do you enjoy the drink or the feeling of confidence?February 27, 2012 2:29 pm at 2:29 pm #856937HaLeiViParticipant
I wouldn’t call it an addiction if you only drink on certain occasions. But drinking in general in shunned in Yiddishkeit. L’chaim was meant to be one cup, or less.February 27, 2012 2:52 pm at 2:52 pm #856938
Well, in my opinion, two to four drinks is not an addiction.
What you seem to be doing is exactly what a L’Chaim is suppose to do; move someone into a joyful, festive separation from the ordinary experience.
L’Chaim!February 27, 2012 3:07 pm at 3:07 pm #856939No One Mourns The WickedMember
How much to you need to drink in order to feel the “geshmak”? How high is your tolerance & do you find it increasing?February 27, 2012 3:11 pm at 3:11 pm #856940☕ DaasYochid ☕Participant
If you’re asking, you most likely have a problem.February 27, 2012 5:21 pm at 5:21 pm #856941besalelParticipant
This is what the professionals use:
1. Do you lose time from work due to your drinking?
2. Is drinking making your home life unhappy?
3. Do you drink because you are shy with other people?
4. Is drinking affecting your reputation?
5. Have you ever felt remorse after drinking?
6. Have you gotten into financial difficulties as a result of your drinking?
7. Do you turn to lower companions and an inferior environment when drinking?
8. Does your drinking make you careless of your family’s welfare?
9. Has your ambition decreased since drinking?
10. Do you crave a drink at a definite time daily?
11. Do you want a drink the next morning?
12. Does drinking cause you to have difficulty in sleeping?
13. Has your efficiency decreased since drinking?
14. Is drinking jeopardizing your job or business?
15. Do you drink to escape from worries or troubles?
16. Do you drink alone?
17. Have you ever had a complete loss of memory as a result of your drinking?
18. Has your physician ever treated you for drinking?
19. Do you drink to build up your self-confidence?
20. Have you ever been in a hospital or institution on account of drinking?
If you have answered YES to any one of the questions, there is a definite warning that you may be an alcoholic.
If you have answered YES to any two, the chances are that you are an alcoholic.
If you have answered YES to three or more, you are definitely an alcoholic.February 27, 2012 6:04 pm at 6:04 pm #856942HaLeiViParticipant
Do you confuse Baruch Mordchai and Arrur Haman?February 29, 2012 3:52 am at 3:52 am #856943HealthParticipant
geshmak drink -From the NYC Dept. of Health:
“What Are the Signs of a Problem?
How can you tell whether you, or someone close to you, may have a drinking problem? Answering the following four questions can help you find out. (To help remember these questions, note that the first letter of a key word in each of the four questions spells “CAGE”.)
Have you ever felt you should cut down on your drinking? Yes No
Have people annoyed you by criticizing your drinking? Yes No
Have you ever felt bad or guilty about your drinking? Yes No
Have you ever had a drink first thing in the morning to steady your nerves or to get rid of a hangover (eye opener)? Yes No
One “yes” answer suggests a possible alcohol problem. If you responded “yes” to more than one question, it is highly likely that a problem exists. In either case, it is important that you see your doctor or other health care provider right away to discuss your responses to these questions. He or she can help you determine whether you have a drinking problem and, if so, recommend a course of action for you.February 29, 2012 7:21 am at 7:21 am #856944ToiParticipant
Alcohol is extremely healthy when consumed in large quantities.February 29, 2012 4:21 pm at 4:21 pm #856945popa_bar_abbaParticipant
We are going to be so drunk next week tonight! So drunk!
Our wives are going to be so scared and run away to their sisters house assuming our brother’s in law won’t beat them! They’ll be right because our brother’s in law will be getting drunk with us!February 29, 2012 7:50 pm at 7:50 pm #856946far eastMember
nothing wrong with drinking a few beers friday night in order to relaxFebruary 29, 2012 9:28 pm at 9:28 pm #856947BowwowParticipant
If you are questioning if you are an alcoholic, you usually are.March 1, 2012 12:33 am at 12:33 am #856948That Big Bear AgainMember
Do you confuse Shygetz Aross with Shiksa Arann? (Homon and Mordechai are Peerim only).March 1, 2012 5:29 am at 5:29 am #856949GoLearnTorahParticipant
PBA – Ashrecha mi kiamcha Yisrael … to patiently wait a whole long week ’til yom tov to get drunk!March 1, 2012 12:29 pm at 12:29 pm #856950Shticky GuyParticipant
Our wives are going to be so scared and run away to their sisters house assuming our brother’s in law won’t beat them! They’ll be right because our brother’s in law will be getting drunk with us!
Hello! Do you know me???March 1, 2012 4:47 pm at 4:47 pm #856951MDGParticipant
“at simchas and shabbos and times that i need to be besimcha. “
What do you mean by “times that i need to be besimcha”?
How often is that? It sounds to me that could be an excuse for grabbing a few drinks at any old time. Besides, why does it take 2-4 drinks (which is legally drunk) to get that “simcha”?
All alcoholics have excuses. They all say that they need that drink.
I’m glad you are asking now before it gets too late.
Go for treatment now.March 1, 2012 4:55 pm at 4:55 pm #856952Rav TuvParticipant
What do you mean by “times that i need to be besimcha”?
How often is that?
I think he means shabbos, yom tov and any day that end in “y” 🙂March 1, 2012 4:58 pm at 4:58 pm #856953
That is ridiculous.
For starters, I have met people who go to Al-Anon and are so paranoid that even if they use shampoo with alcohol in it, they are concerned; and they are not even the alcoholic.
One “yes” could be a problem?
From a sociological perspective, while the source, “The NYC Department of Health” sounds all impressive, the bozos up in that office should find questions more valid and reliable in determining an alcohol problem, rather than those ambiguous questions leading people to seek help/information to keep certain monies and jobs going for that department.
If someone answers “Yes” to those highly subjective, generalized questions, it is “HIGHLY” likely they have a problem?
lol With those kinds of questions, I guess someone makes a commission on inquiries.March 1, 2012 6:11 pm at 6:11 pm #856954HealthParticipant
BTGuy -“Hi Health.
That is ridiculous.”
The only thing that is ridiculous is your opinions. Where do you come off as knowing more than professionals? What is your degree in?
“For starters, I have met people who go to Al-Anon and are so paranoid that even if they use shampoo with alcohol in it, they are concerned; and they are not even the alcoholic.”
I’m not interested in your Bubba Meissas regarding some psychotics that you know. This has nothing to do with the subject at hand.
“One “yes” could be a problem?”
Yes, it could be.
“From a sociological perspective, while the source, “The NYC Department of Health” sounds all impressive, the bozos up in that office should find questions more valid and reliable in determining an alcohol problem, rather than those ambiguous questions leading people to seek help/information to keep certain monies and jobs going for that department.”
They didn’t make it up. Sorry to burst your bubble and your diatribe against the NYC Health Dept. I just heard about it first from them -that’s why I quoted them.
“If someone answers “Yes” to those highly subjective, generalized questions, it is “HIGHLY” likely they have a problem?”
“lol With those kinds of questions, I guess someone makes a commission on inquiries.”
Lol @ your opinions. The CAGE questionare is a highly respected screening tool in the psychological and medical world. There are others, but CAGE is a big one. It was first validated around 1974.
How does a college educated person become so ignorant?
If you’re in Denial that you’re an alcoholic because you answered “yes” to a few of the questions -then I understand.March 1, 2012 7:32 pm at 7:32 pm #856955The little I knowParticipant
The posted 20 questions is NOT intended to serve as a scientific measure of an alcohol problem. It is just a “rule of thumb”, a layperson’s yardstick to flag a possible problem. This is just one such tool. There are many others of similar value. Ultimately, the evaluation by a professional in the addictions field will be more reliable and definitive.
Regarding your pronouncements about those attending Al-Anon, there are many, many good jokes about them (many quite similar to the humor about baalei teshuvah). There are plenty of people who base their behavior on lack of knowledge and on misinformation. The family member of the alcoholic has been traumatized or otherwise negatively affected by the drinking problem. Having been sensitized, it is quite common to become supervigilant about the consumption of alcohol, even through shampoo. Some education from a recognized expert should help alot in calming these fears that are being expressed irrationally.March 2, 2012 4:00 pm at 4:00 pm #856956
Hi The little I know.
What you say is very reasonable.
Not only are those items a “rule of thumb”, they were carefully created to do a broad sweep to persuade people to investigate their programs, which are funded and employ people as long as they have a certain volume of activity.
What struck me as funny was reading how broad the questions are, and then someone saying if they answer “yes” to even one of those questions, they are “HIGHLY” likely to have a problem. lol
Those questions are one level away from the kind of questions that would go, “If you pass by a liquor store each day to work, there is a great chance you may develop a problem”. Or, If you drink an alcoholic beverage and you dont really like the taste, you may have a problem.
And then to say you are “HIGHLY” likely? Well, that is just institutionalized pseudo-think.
I dont think you are sorry to burst any bubble. That is what you do for a living. Sorry, you need a bigger pin.
And I know enough not to get caught into those black holes you call “discussions”. So information about me is not going to be cast at you to use in your usual struggle for affirmations, at the expense of someone else.
Still, why you find yourself to be such a staunch defender of the NYC Dept of “Health”, is obvious. How did you get your own department anyway?
By the way, Health. I was reacting to the NYC D of H’s guidelines for what they consider may constitute a drinking problem. Other than your opinion that a “yes” means a “highly” likely problem, of which I disagree, I was not intending to say you were ridiculous. That was regarding the D of H’s stance. I apologize if you took it that way, whether you want to take a tough approach to me or not.
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