December 21, 2020 1:28 pm at 1:28 pm #1930185
In YESHIVAS there is too much drinking (weekly DRUNKENNESS!) and Smoking and Vaping! It is in the OPEN! Many see this in THEIR HOMES! Smoking and vaping KILL with lung cancer Including Innocent second hand smoke victems! Drunkness can KILL the drunkard AND Others! Do we need SIGNS NO SMOKING VAPING in Shuls and Yeshivas!? Its deadly and adddictive! Rebbes and Ravs – Mustnt You Speak Out! Does Amudim Help? Can they make this assistance wide spread!?December 21, 2020 2:11 pm at 2:11 pm #1930612meir GParticipant
Benk- what exactly do u want ? what are the numbers ? do we need signs? did signs make anyone wear a mask? smoking , vaping, drinking these are all tayvos and hatzad hashave shebohen is shedarkan lehazik ushemirasan alechoh. previous doros had a nisoyon of haskalah today its raykonis .. its not about unresolved questions
rebbes & ravs.. what should they say that we dont know already?, the koach of a leader is dependent on the bitul of the followers or talmidim. u will notice that in every shul .. yeshiva there are those fathers or bochurim that are real talmidim ” aseh lechoh rav” they ask shaaalos .. listen at shalosh seudos .. repeat at home what the rov said in shul & implement it & others in the same shul do differently.
amudim is a topic on its ownDecember 21, 2020 4:32 pm at 4:32 pm #1930672Yserbius123Participant
Ma Nishtana HaDor HaZeh Mikol HaDoros?
Yeshivas have always had problems with smoking and drinking. Vaping is a new thing now that smoking isn’t as common anymore. I remember one Yeshiva I visited sometime in the mid-90s where outside the back door of the Beis Medrash was a massive pile of cigarette butts because of all the bachurim would stand their to take a smoke break during seder. One Yeshiva had a joke about Shavuos all the windows were lined with still lit cigarettes standing on their filters so they will go out on their own because you can’t stub on Yom Tov.
And the Rebbeim spoke about it. A lot in many circumstances. One Rosh Yeshiva I knew used to say that he would never allow a shidduch where the boy smoked. It worked somewhat. Smoking is a little better now than it used to be.December 21, 2020 5:25 pm at 5:25 pm #1930694
1) Why are you screaming at us? Take a chill pill.
2) I smoked for 21 years. I switched to vaping 6 years ago because I couldn’t breathe. Vaping saves lives. Stop believing Big Tobacco and their lawyers.December 21, 2020 6:43 pm at 6:43 pm #1930715
3) Furthermore, do you have any idea what Amudim is about, or do you just read some headlines and spew nonsense?December 21, 2020 10:12 pm at 10:12 pm #1930743press87Participant
What else do you want them to do in yeshiva these are yeshiva bochurim who aren’t going all over the internet need some sort of way to chill out and this is how they do itDecember 21, 2020 10:23 pm at 10:23 pm #1930758zvei dinimParticipant
Smoking reduces 14 years of life, on average.
However, vaping is not in the same equation here. It is an alternative to smoking.
According to the National Academies of Science:
“Laboratory tests of e-cigarette ingredients, in vitro toxicological tests, and short-term human studies suggest that e-cigarettes are likely to be far less harmful than combustible tobacco cigarettes.”
People think that nicotine causes cancer. Nicotine is addictive, but it’s the other chemicals in the smoke that kills. Without the cancerogenic cocktail in tobacco smoke, nicotine is not much different than caffeine.
Yes, there can be some other contaminants in vapor, but for nationally known brands (eg, Juul), they are subject to regulation and litigation and must be very careful. And even for lesser known manufacturers, the existing research indicates that they are far less toxic than cigarettes.December 22, 2020 6:11 pm at 6:11 pm #1931069frumnotyeshivishParticipant
Smoking causes 14 years less life on average?
1. How many years does the median (not mean) smoker lose?
2. The average is of what? The average smoker by volume? Or the average time prior to life expectancy “smokers” die? Define “smokers” please.
That is all for now.
Thank you.December 22, 2020 10:09 pm at 10:09 pm #1931111bored guyParticipant
lol there is a crazy amount of great things in our community. why focus on the negative that probably doesn’t exist anyways.December 23, 2020 1:54 pm at 1:54 pm #1931319
My son went to a yeshivish dorm where he says every room has a smosmoker or vaper and people get drunk every week. The rebbe also smokes. I worry for my son so i speak up! And im sick of the vaping in shul as wellDecember 23, 2020 3:06 pm at 3:06 pm #1931366
@press87: WELL SAID!
Mr benK- what do you want your son and his friends to do when they have a break? if it’s not smoking then it’s internetDecember 23, 2020 3:43 pm at 3:43 pm #1931372
My son doesnt smoke. He does play ball alot. If theres only smoking or internet your saying in bais medrash EVERYONE either smokes or drinks or internet??? And what have bochurim done Before internet???? And filtered internet for breaks should be just fineDecember 23, 2020 4:53 pm at 4:53 pm #1931393
filtered internet for a bochur IS NOT FINE
it takes away his geshmak and cheishek in learning
even if the only thing is kosher videos
and as to your question what bochurim did before internet?
Well, they smoked. In the beis hamedrashDecember 23, 2020 4:54 pm at 4:54 pm #1931402
@BenK Might I suggest that you rent a private apartment for your son? Or homeschool him?
Give us and all the yeshiva bochurim a break. It’s not the first time you’ve yelled at us about these issues. You aren’t going to change anything.December 23, 2020 7:48 pm at 7:48 pm #1931422
I was in ner israel and mercaz and i didnt smoke and neither did my room mstesDecember 24, 2020 1:01 pm at 1:01 pm #1931681
well, in the yeshivos where i learnt they did smoke…December 24, 2020 6:04 pm at 6:04 pm #1931775Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipant
Justwondering – what was Rosh Yeshiva’s halakhic position on that?
I believe a heter to smoke expired long time ago when it became evident that sm
oking hurts your health. I believe Rav Moshe in the 1960s allowed fools/innocents to rely on Hashem’s protection. By now, there are not many excuses for ignorance and many teshuvot against it.
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