Eating in the Succah on Shmini Atzeres

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  • #590551
    whatshaiches
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    Where does the minhag to NOT eat in the succah come from (outside of E”Y)? The S”A seems to only bring down that one should be eating in the succah? I know there is a minhag by the chassidim to not eat in the succah, but where to us litvaks get it from?

    Gut Yom Tov!

    #661817
    WolfishMusings
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    I don’t have a minhag to eat in the succah, but I also don’t have a minhag not to. As such, if we have company that eats in the succah, we’ll go out there for them. Likewise, if we eat by someone who eats in the succah (as we’re doing this year), we’ll out in the succah with them.

    The Wolf

    #661818
    Joseph
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    Wolf: And if you are home alone?

    #661819
    pookie
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    happiest, my father said the same thing and you know what they say- minhag backwords is gihenim

    #661820
    WolfishMusings
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    If we’re home alone, we usually eat inside.

    The Wolf

    #661821
    WolfishMusings
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    minhag backwords is gihenim

    I’m confused… what, exactly, is that supposed to mean?

    The Wolf

    #661822
    pookie
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    its all about what your minhag is

    #661823
    Joseph
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    Wolf, I think the obvious implication is if you do your minhug backwards (i.e. don’t do it) it is playing with gehenim.

    #661824
    WolfishMusings
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    Odd… halacha backwards doesn’t spell anything stronger than that… and I would think it should. After all, Halacha is certainly more stringent than a minhag. 🙂

    The Wolf

    #661825
    pookie
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    i think theres a halacha about keeping to your minhagim

    #661826
    Joseph
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    Wolf: You need that spelled out for you? 🙂

    #661827
    WolfishMusings
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    i think theres a halacha about keeping to your minhagim

    Well, since I don’t have a minhag either way on this issue… 🙂

    The Wolf

    #661828
    pookie
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    maybe you should eat half the meal in a sukkah and the other half in your home

    #661829
    WolfishMusings
    Participant

    Perhaps alternate with every other bite? 🙂

    The Wolf

    #661830
    oomis
    Participant

    We only make kiddush in the succah on Shemini Atzeres night. My husband goes to Hakofos at Shul, and the chassidic minhag is that if you don’t eat in the succah the last days, you go to hakafos on S”A. In truth, I don’t understand why anyone eats in the succah on S”A, it is not succos, it is a new and separate chag. Anyway, after the winds we had and most of the neighborhood succahs collapsing, I was glad we still had a succah to eat in until this morning! Chag sameach all.

    #661831
    Jothar
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    Wolfish:

    Odd… halacha backwards doesn’t spell anything stronger than that… and I would think it should. After all, Halacha is certainly more stringent than a minhag. 🙂

    According to the Kav hayashar, halacha is the letters of “hakallah” (“the bride”, ie the shechina”), and when one works on halacha he strengthens the bond betweeen himself and the shechina.

    Many ravs make a kiddush on Shemini atzeres in their sukkahs to be mezakeh the chassidim and amei haaretz.

    #661832
    happiest
    Member

    My father also goes to hakafos shmini azeres night but we only make kiddush in the succah during the day- I guess each person has their own way of doing things.

    #661833
    mybat
    Member

    Some minhagim are hundreds of years old, but a lot of times they probably get lost.

    #661834
    A600KiloBear
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    BS”D

    Chabad Chassidim have hakafos S”A night and eat in the sukkah S”A. Probably a reflection of the geographical origins of Chassidus Chabad.

    #661835
    jphone
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    1. Isnt minhag more chamur that din in some regards (i forget how it is brought down).

    2. The source for eating in succah s”a is the gemara.

    3. The mechaber brings down the minhag of those who only eat in succah during s”a day, but doesnt like the minhag. The nosei keilim explain the reasons for the various minhagim.

    4. Several years ago i was a guest in a “5 towns” shul that did hakafos on s”a at night (i presume during the day to, but wasnt there). The rav announced all were obligated to stay for hakafos unless they were going home to eat in their succah. He wasnt saying it as a definitive psak, but was telling the mispallelim that they cant have it both ways. Either they are chassidish and their minhag is hakafos yes, succah no, or hakafos no, succah yes.

    5. How does one not have a minhag regarding succah on s”a? The mechaber rules one should eat in the succah. Im not chassidish, and dont know the source for the minhag, but if your not chassidish and definitively do not have a minhag not to eat in the succah, why arent you following the psak of shulchan aruch?

    #661836
    truthsharer
    Member

    I never understood this. It’s not a “minhag” to eat in the sukkah on Shmini Atzeres. It’s the halacha.

    The question is on those who don’t eat in the sukkah, where they get it from.

    #661837
    mepal
    Member

    Mods, its atZeres…

    Done

    #661838
    WolfishMusings
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    Postscript: Eeees decided that she wanted to eat in the succah the night of Shmini Atzeres, and so we did. During the day we were guests by someone who eats in the succah, so we ate there then as well.

    The Wolf

    #661839
    goody613
    Member

    i don’t eat in the succah but i ate by s/o who does so i did, but then shouldn’t it be bal tosif?

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