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Where does the minhag to NOT eat in the succah come from (outside of E”Y)? The S”A seems to only bring down that one should be eating in the succah? I know there is a minhag by the chassidim to not eat in the succah, but where to us litvaks get it from?
Gut Yom Tov!
I don’t have a minhag to eat in the succah, but I also don’t have a minhag not to. As such, if we have company that eats in the succah, we’ll go out there for them. Likewise, if we eat by someone who eats in the succah (as we’re doing this year), we’ll out in the succah with them.
The Wolf
Wolf: And if you are home alone?
happiest, my father said the same thing and you know what they say- minhag backwords is gihenim
If we’re home alone, we usually eat inside.
The Wolf
minhag backwords is gihenim
I’m confused… what, exactly, is that supposed to mean?
The Wolf
its all about what your minhag is
Wolf, I think the obvious implication is if you do your minhug backwards (i.e. don’t do it) it is playing with gehenim.
Odd… halacha backwards doesn’t spell anything stronger than that… and I would think it should. After all, Halacha is certainly more stringent than a minhag. 🙂
The Wolf
i think theres a halacha about keeping to your minhagim
Wolf: You need that spelled out for you? 🙂
i think theres a halacha about keeping to your minhagim
Well, since I don’t have a minhag either way on this issue… 🙂
The Wolf
maybe you should eat half the meal in a sukkah and the other half in your home
Perhaps alternate with every other bite? 🙂
The Wolf
We only make kiddush in the succah on Shemini Atzeres night. My husband goes to Hakofos at Shul, and the chassidic minhag is that if you don’t eat in the succah the last days, you go to hakafos on S”A. In truth, I don’t understand why anyone eats in the succah on S”A, it is not succos, it is a new and separate chag. Anyway, after the winds we had and most of the neighborhood succahs collapsing, I was glad we still had a succah to eat in until this morning! Chag sameach all.
Wolfish:
Odd… halacha backwards doesn’t spell anything stronger than that… and I would think it should. After all, Halacha is certainly more stringent than a minhag. 🙂
According to the Kav hayashar, halacha is the letters of “hakallah” (“the bride”, ie the shechina”), and when one works on halacha he strengthens the bond betweeen himself and the shechina.
Many ravs make a kiddush on Shemini atzeres in their sukkahs to be mezakeh the chassidim and amei haaretz.
My father also goes to hakafos shmini azeres night but we only make kiddush in the succah during the day- I guess each person has their own way of doing things.
Some minhagim are hundreds of years old, but a lot of times they probably get lost.
BS”D
Chabad Chassidim have hakafos S”A night and eat in the sukkah S”A. Probably a reflection of the geographical origins of Chassidus Chabad.
1. Isnt minhag more chamur that din in some regards (i forget how it is brought down).
2. The source for eating in succah s”a is the gemara.
3. The mechaber brings down the minhag of those who only eat in succah during s”a day, but doesnt like the minhag. The nosei keilim explain the reasons for the various minhagim.
4. Several years ago i was a guest in a “5 towns” shul that did hakafos on s”a at night (i presume during the day to, but wasnt there). The rav announced all were obligated to stay for hakafos unless they were going home to eat in their succah. He wasnt saying it as a definitive psak, but was telling the mispallelim that they cant have it both ways. Either they are chassidish and their minhag is hakafos yes, succah no, or hakafos no, succah yes.
5. How does one not have a minhag regarding succah on s”a? The mechaber rules one should eat in the succah. Im not chassidish, and dont know the source for the minhag, but if your not chassidish and definitively do not have a minhag not to eat in the succah, why arent you following the psak of shulchan aruch?
I never understood this. It’s not a “minhag” to eat in the sukkah on Shmini Atzeres. It’s the halacha.
The question is on those who don’t eat in the sukkah, where they get it from.
Mods, its atZeres…
Done
Postscript: Eeees decided that she wanted to eat in the succah the night of Shmini Atzeres, and so we did. During the day we were guests by someone who eats in the succah, so we ate there then as well.
The Wolf
i don’t eat in the succah but i ate by s/o who does so i did, but then shouldn’t it be bal tosif?
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