December 26, 2021 6:29 pm at 6:29 pm #2045024
Counties assess and collect real estate taxes while states collect income tax. I never said the state collects real estate taxes. Municipalities don’t collect taxes rather they submit their budgets to the county who then assesses and collects the taxes and gives it to them. NYC is an exception since it’s comprised of 5 counties it assesses but farms out the collection function to an outside contractor.
What I think is happening is the Infrastructure Bill which recently past, allocates funding for charging stations. This funding was suppose to go to public charges so that car owners can rapidly recharge their cars. What is happening is rather then build chargers that can be used by the public it is being used for the wealthy few.
These chargers are meant to fully recharge the battery in less than an hour, 24 hours a day and for a private residence will be used maybe 30 minutes a day. Even in an office parking lot unless cars are rotated you would be better off with a 240v (which is usually used for heavy duty air conditioners) outlet and a charger ( which is an electric cord with an adapter to charge the car). This is because most of the time the battery is over 75% charged, so only an hour or two is needed to fully charge the battery even at this slower rate.
The contracter can more easily install 4 rapid charges in one location then installing in 4 different public parking lots. The more rapid charges that are installed on private property the mean fewer charges that are availiable for the general public use. So either more chargers are need which means the contracters make more money. The only one who is losing is the taxpayers.
This is just another example of government’s poor planning, Besides not having enough electricity to meet the needs of the riding public, there wouldn’t be enough public rapid chargers to meet the demand either. So who is going to buy electric cars?
This is a great deal for CTL and others like him who generate excess electricity but the vast majority of those having solar panel don’t generate enough to cover their current usage.
Unlike gas where you can just drive up and get serviced at any gas station with electric you need to reserve a time slot which is done by an app on your phone. This may result in your charging in an empty poorly lit public parking lot at midnight. Likewise, you have to plan your car trip recharging every 150-175 miles and estimating time it when you are going to reach the charging station.December 26, 2021 7:21 pm at 7:21 pm #20450432scentsParticipant
Are you implying that there still is some work to be done for EVs to eliminate the potential issues you noted or that we should accept the problems as is and not work ok solving them?December 26, 2021 10:24 pm at 10:24 pm #2045067
I am not sure what you mean. There is a lot of work that needs to be done both in generating electricity and getting chargers avalible for the public. This is besides making it as easy or easier than driving with gas.
The major problem that I have is that the government is going to force people to buy electric cars because they are the only one available but they are diffucult to refuel. Part of the owning a car is the freedom to go and explore the open road.
The problem is that people wouldn’t switch to electric unless there is enough electricity to fuel their cars. But the electric companies wouldn’t build power generating plants unless they see a demand.
The plants that are built are just replacing the coal and nuclear plants that are being phased out
That is the problem.December 27, 2021 12:15 am at 12:15 am #2045076GadolhadorahParticipant
Most studies of electric vehicle market penetration assume that recharging will occur primarily during off-peak periods when most utilities will have considerable excess capacity. The modeling generally supports that assumption and indicates there will be sufficient generation to meet that charging load. There are even studies showing that in a subset of emergency situation (unforeseen offpeak power outages) technology exis
ts that would allow utilities to draw upon power stored in tens of thousands of electric vehicles at homes and commercial garages to maintain essential services or provide “black-start” capability to local generation.December 27, 2021 12:35 pm at 12:35 pm #2045127CTLAWYERParticipant
NO, here in CT, Counties don’t do a single thing you mentioned. All county government was abolished in 1960. Municipalities assess and collect property taxes.
Regarding using a charging station. There are quick charge stations at our local shopping mall, you pull up and if one is available, you use it. No reservation son an app, Last night I had to drive to JFK to pick my daughter up from a flight. There are charging stations at the gas stations on the Merritt Parkway, again, no reservations. I waited in the cell phone lot at JFK for my daughter to be ready. I had not been ion that lot in about 9 months. There are now a dozen chargers. 7 were in use and 5 were available to whoever drove up.
Please don’t use your conception about Government and taxation when replying to a post such as mine. My username is very specific as to the fact I am in CT, just as CT Rebbe, another member of the CR.December 27, 2021 12:36 pm at 12:36 pm #2045142Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipant
Studies, studies – you and government will produce a lot of studies, and then legislate them, and then discover failures. If you are able to create a market for something, then thousands of smart people motivated by profit will solve all those problems for you. When was the last time (before recently), you worried about supply chains, figuring out where to find a gas station, making sure tires fit the car, etc? Millions of decisions made by businesses. You only find out about them when government intervenes and has to solve it. See how now inflation is being blamed on big businesses and will lead to further legislature to address it.
I remember watching House of Commons where prime minister was asked – why there are not enough hospital beds in some small English town, and he was able to recite numbers of current beds and how many they will build soon. This is nonsense when you get when politicians are trying to do what businesses should.December 27, 2021 8:17 pm at 8:17 pm #2045335GadolhadorahParticipant
AAQ: The “studies” I referenced were undertaken by private sector entities such as Ford Motor Company (as the basis for its decision to phase out all gasoline vehicle production) and PG&E, SoCal Edison, AEP and several others of the largest electric utilities in the U.S. who have planned billions of dollars in new capacity additions around the anticipated trends in electric vehicle charging and home storage. Yes, governments do “studies” too as the basis for policy development but not rational business person commits serious dollars based on government studies or market forecasts.December 27, 2021 11:43 pm at 11:43 pm #2045443Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipant
Gadol, I have no problem with private business building any car they want, electric, gas, even nuclear. As long as their doing so is not distorted by the government too much (for example, I think the abovementioned Ford needs “green” vehicles to counter-balance their very profitable trucks and still satisfy the gov requirement “on average”)January 2, 2022 6:03 am at 6:03 am #2047179
The big problem with electric cars is their high purchase price which can be offset by government subsidies and lower costs for fuel and maintenance. The drawbacks are there is a limit to the amount of funds that can be used for subsidies and a limit in the amount of electricity available.
Solar energy has been recommended as a solution. The problem is that electricity cannot be stored unless you have batteries, so electricity not used is lost. Most electricity generated by solar is not stored in batteries. For example, while nationally solar energy accounts for 2% of electricity generated. In California it accounts for over 13%. This means when the sun goes down there is 26% less electricity generated. The problem is what happens if there is a heat wave and there is a great demand, rolling blackouts.
Another problem with solar energy is the government forces the electric company to buy back excess electricity at their sale price resulting in a loss for the electric company. The electric company with the approval of the state then increases the purchase price for the electricity for rate payers who are usually earn a lower income. In this case the poor are subsidizing the rich.
A better solution if you want to use renewable energy is either wind farms or hydroelectricity to generate more electricity needed to fuel electric cars.January 2, 2022 9:19 am at 9:19 am #2047232CTLAWYERParticipant
“so electricity not used is lost.”
It is not lost, it does not disappear in thin air.
The excess electricity we generate goes to our local power company. Unlike your post’s assumption, they don’t buy it at the selling rate. They bank it and a running balance appears on out monthly bill.
So when we use power from the utility in bad weather, at night, etc. we are withdrawing KHW from our savings account.
Generation by wind farms and hydroelectricity may be a better solution for a utility to produce electricity, but not for an individual. Our town’s zoning would never allow windmills of requisite height in the backyard of a home on a typical 1/2 acre plot. All windfarms and hydroelectric production do is reduce costs for utilities and cut down on fossil fuel waste. I am in favor of Nuclear production, but that’s for a utility not a homeowner.
Last year, we were guaranteed 30,000KHW production by the company who installed the solar on the main house in the compound (all our buildings have solar), we produced 47,000KHW. We have enough banked to carry us through a stormy winter. I love when I open the utility bill and it is only for the minimum $11.46, prior to solar this house bill was $650monthly in winter and $1300 in summer.January 2, 2022 8:10 pm at 8:10 pm #2047485
The excess electric that you generate during the day goes to the electric company who must buy it at it’s sale price. Your account is then credited for that amount and at night when your system is not generating you are buying back electricity against the credit balance. The only way to store electricity is with batteries. Most solar systems do not have batteries so if there is a blackout at night you will have no power until the sun comes up. The electricical grid in which the solar system is generating the electricity is just wire not a battery and so over a short time it loses power of this electricity. Solar energy not sold quickly is a total lose for the electric company which must be made up by charging higher prices for electricity. The only solution I see is for the electric company to pay a lower rate for solar power and or not buy all the excess solar energy.
Wind farms and Hydroelectric are not generated by individual and likewise the electric companies are not forced to buy thier excess electricity. They also generate electricity 24 hours a day
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