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  • #601476
    kollell guy
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    There is something that I would like to comment on about those who criticize the so called ‘ban’ that Rav Elyashiv put on the Hebrew Mishpacha magazine, as well as other so called bans.

    Let’s begin with understanding the word ban. First let’s discuss why bans are made. My understanding is that a ban is usually an attempt to influence a company by minimizing its customer base in an attempt to either get the company to reverse its policies or put the company out of business.

    Was that what Rav Elyashiv was attempting to do? According to the article in YWN, the problem with Mishpacha was that they are competing with the Israeli Yated. (And therefore I guess this was an attempt to minimize their sales.) Now let’s think for a moment. Does anybody really believe that Rav Elyashiv cares if Yated loses business?

    So why did he signing a letter against the Hebrew Mishpacha? I’ll tell you why. It’s not because they are competing with Yated. It’s also not because some gabbai told him it’s a check for Va’ad Harabanim. Rather, it’s because he feels a responsibility to tell those who want to follow Da’as Torah that the views in this paper are unacceptable and therefore prohibited to read. He is not looking at whether they are going to lose business. As a matter of fact he probably knows better that anybody else that his issur will not necessarily hurt their business. That’s not his point. He simply wants people to know that it is wrong to read that paper.

    Now let’s get to the next point. Is the information he got correct? Or was it simply that ‘they’ fed him all kinds of information? One thing I can say for sure. Rav Elyashiv is a world renowned genius who served as a rabbinical court judge for many years. It is not so easy to fool him. He is known to be extremely careful about what he signs, and he would never publicly go against anything (especially when nobody else signed the paper) unless he verified the claims to be true.

    Another point to ponder. How is it that every left leaning semi orthodox blogger (who never even read the Hebrew Mishpacha) knows by intuition that the stories told to the Rav are false? Do they think the Rav is that naive????? ???????? . They are actually suffering from the very closed mindedness that they are accusing the Rav of having. It’s worth noting that since the letter came out the magazine has hired Rabonim to check the paper, which means the leter already has served a purpose.

    Finally a word about the word ban. The Hebrew word for ban is cherem. A cherem is placed on something that is otherwise permitted and the cherem/ban makes it prohibited. Here (as well as the well publicized so called ‘bans’ on the Slifkin and Kamenetsky books) Rav Elyashiv did not place any ban on anything. All he did was say that it is according to Jewish law this material is prohibited to read. If a kashrus agency would publicize that a certain product contains treif ingredients nobody would call that a ban. So why is this any different?

    We can all work on our Emunas Chachomim and this is a good place to start.

    #841735
    apushatayid
    Participant

    why dont you try having some emunas chachamim in those gedolim and rabbonim who back Mishpacha?

    No, I have no desire to play, “my gadol is bigger than yours”.

    #841736
    cantgetit
    Member

    apushtayid, kollel guy isn’t telling you that you have to necessarily follow Rav Elyashev’s shittos. Just that no one should dismiss Rav Elyashev’s shittos or “bans” by trying to initiate that Rav Elyashev was fooled or didn’t realize what he was doing or was mistaken.

    #841737
    yahud
    Member

    apushatayid

    “why dont you try having some emunas chachamim in those gedolim and rabbonim who back Mishpacha?”

    do you mean the ppl that you call gedoilim and rabbanim, have time to read and approve newspapers ?!!

    #841738
    mamashtakah
    Member

    So, kollel guy, either you have the ability to read Rav Elyashiv’s mind, or you have spoken to him personally and you heard his reasoning from his own lips. Otherwise, you’re making huge conjectures here that you have no way to back up.

    #841739
    apushatayid
    Participant

    Cantgetit. Obviously, you Didntgetit. I didnt dismiss anyones opinion, all I said was to be aware that while you follow an opinion, you should not be dismissive of the opinions of other gedolim. The same sources that claim a ban was issued also claim that many gedolim back the mishpacha newspaper.

    Yahud. You dont wonder where Rav Elyashiv Shlita found the time to read the paper and issue a ban?

    #841740
    zahavasdad
    Participant

    Rav Elyashiv “Banned” The Kamenetzky book which is in ENGLISH which he does not read.

    I dont know if he read Mishpacha or not before he banned it, but I am fairly certain he did NOT read the Kamenetzky book

    I am not 100% certain, but I think the Slifkin books are in english as well

    #841741
    ItcheSrulik
    Member

    yahud: Do you mean the people you call gedolim pasken without knowing what’s going on? I’m not mekabel.

    #841742
    kollell guy
    Member

    “Rav Elyashiv “Banned” The Kamenetzky book which is in ENGLISH which he does not read.

    I dont know if he read Mishpacha or not before he banned it, but I am fairly certain he did NOT read the Kamenetzky book

    I am not 100% certain, but I think the Slifkin books are in english as well”

    And didn’t Rav Aharon Feldman and others who read english quite well speak at length to Rav Elyashiv about Slifkin and he was fully aware of what was written.See Rav Feldman’s book for what Rav Elyashiv told him.

    Also Regarding Kamenetsky’s book. It is laughable to say that stories said over in one language cannot be repeated in a second one. Also 14 American Roshei Yeshivos including Rav Dovid Feinstein also said one should’t read the book. I wonder if they couldn’t read english either.

    And again there was no ban. He just said its assur. It was assur before he said it and assur afterwards too.

    #841743
    kollell guy
    Member

    ps and who in the world are you to tell a gadol what he can or can’t say is assur.

    #841744
    kollell guy
    Member

    “So, kollel guy, either you have the ability to read Rav Elyashiv’s mind, or you have spoken to him personally and you heard his reasoning from his own lips. Otherwise, you’re making huge conjectures here that you have no way to back up.”

    Actually ask any sane Rav he’ll tell you the same thing. By the way it is a big blow to Mishpacha. Unlike in America most chareidim do listen to their gedolim.

    #841745
    bortezomib
    Participant

    Was R’ Elyashiv’s ban on all Mishpacha magazines or only the Israeli one?

    #841746
    apushatayid
    Participant

    “Unlike in America most chareidim do listen to their gedolim.”

    Which Charedim in

    America don’t listen to their Gedolim?

    #841747
    BTGuy
    Participant

    Why Ban a magazine?

    And, was it Ban roll-on, or spray?

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