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    Is leaving high school without a diploma to go to eretz yisroel to learn a good idea?

    #663204
    squeak
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    I see two questions here.

    #663205
    artchill
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    If you plan on getting a job in the real world: NO

    #663206
    Joseph
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    Yes.

    Talmud Torah Kneged Kulam.

    #663208
    WolfishMusings
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    HaveAnOpinion,

    Do you actually *know* someone who is considering this? Or is this just a theoretical question?

    The Wolf

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    #663209
    WolfishMusings
    Participant

    Yes.

    C’mon Joseph…

    Do you *really* think it’s universally (or even generally) a good idea to drop out of high school to learn in Israel?

    The Wolf

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    #663210
    sammygol
    Member

    You must have some sort of a job, enabling you to make a living. Why are you so unequivocal in advocating for an unknown young boy, who has no means of making a living after a stint in Beis Midrash or Kollel, to go learn without obtaining a high school diploma first? Unless this theoretical young man will choose to dwell in E”Y and learn forever, he will get married, somewhere in the USA, and will need to support a family. Are YOU going to carry the responsibility for feeding his children if he were to follow your advice?

    #663211
    haifagirl
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    Maybe. It depends on the person and the situation.

    How mature is this individual?

    Has he/she been to Israel before? Can he/she handle the culture shock?

    What kind of support system is in place? Is the whole family going? Or are there relatives (aunts/uncles) there?

    Why does this person want to leave HS early? Trying to escape problems? The school situation has changed for the worse? Just wants to go to Israel?

    What are the future plans? How will not having a diploma affect those plans? Or is he/she intending to get a GED?

    There are probably several more questions that would need to be asked to determine what’s right for each person.

    I don’t think a one-word answer is appropriate.

    #663212
    WolfishMusings
    Participant

    HAO,

    By the way, just to clarify…

    … are we talking about someone who is also learning in high school? Or is this someone who is NOT learning in high school?

    The Wolf

    #663213
    Joseph
    Participant

    Sammy,

    The OP solicited a general opinion, and it was provided (in general accordance with the Torah authorities previously quoted on these very boards.)

    #663214

    Someone who is NOT learning in high school

    #663215
    Joseph
    Participant

    BINGO!

    #663216
    haifagirl
    Participant

    If the person is not learning in HS, what will cause him/her to learn in EY?

    #663217
    WolfishMusings
    Participant

    BINGO!

    Oh, please! You didn’t know that when you said “Yes.”

    AOH,

    No one on these boards can give you an answer to that question. You *really* need to speak it over with the teenager, his parents and a rav who knows the family well.

    And, provisions should be made for him to get a high school diploma (or GED) at some point anyway.

    The Wolf

    #663218
    starwolf
    Member

    So

    –without knowing the individual’s background–(religious, secular, chassidic, dati leumi, hareidi)

    –without knowing the individual’s financial situation–

    –without knowing the individual’s family situation (what his parents might have to say in the matter)–

    –without even knowing anything about the individual’s health—-

    we get an answer such as “Yes. Talmud Torah Kneged Kulam. “

    Perhaps the original poster is not a teenager–but the individual who made that post has no way of knowing.

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