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  • #599936

    amused
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    When do you need to make eruv tavshilin? How do you make it? Who can make it? Who is yoztei by me making it? When can it be made? What do you do with it? Why is it needed? What if you forget?

    #1196599

    yitayningwut
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    1) Before any Yom Tov that comes out before Shabbos.

    2) Set aside a cooked item, like an egg, and a baked item, like a roll, make the bracha and say the declaration you can find in the siddur.

    3) The head of the household or his assignee.

    4) Everyone who eats in your house.

    5) Before Yom Tov begins.

    6) You can just leave it aside, no need to eat it. But if you want you may eat it on Shabbos.

    7) In order that you should be able to prepare for Shabbos while it’s still Yom Tov.

    8) If you live in a community with a rabbi, then don’t worry. He makes an eruv for everybody which you may rely on if you forgot, were stuck and weren’t able to, don’t have any idea how to make an eruv, or lost your eruv.

    If not-

    If you remember on the first day: Since technically we are keeping two days of Yom Tov because we aren’t sure which is the right day, what you do is you make the eruv with a condition – before you make the declaration say “if today is Yom Tov, then I don’t need an eruv, but if tommorow is Yom Tov [then in truth I’m allowed to make an eruv today, and], then this should be my eruv.” Then continue with the declaration.

    If you remember on the second day: You cannot make an eruv anymore. But you need to prepare for Shabbos, so what do you do? If you’re able to, just cook extra of whatever you are cooking for the Yom Tov meal, and leave it on the fire for Shabbos. If you won’t be comfortable with that or it won’t be enough, then you can cook whatever you want as long as you make sure to eat a bit of everything before Yom Tov (and the same idea would apply to any other preparations, i.e. carrying something somewhere). This way you can say it’s technically preparing for Yom Tov. It is a loophole, but completely valid, and in halacha we regard the mitzva of enjoying oneself on Shabbos worth finding loopholes to uphold, and that’s not even taking into account other important considerations, such as shalom bayis.

    #1196600

    Dr. Seuss
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    8) If you live in a community with a rabbi, then don’t worry. He makes an eruv for everybody which you may rely on if you forgot, were stuck and weren’t able to, don’t have any idea how to make an eruv, or lost your eruv.

    So why not forget the whole thing, and just be someach on the rov?

    #1196601

    Sam2
    Participant

    Dr. Seuss: The Gemara says that relying on the Rav only works once (there is a discussion if it’s once in a lifetime or just once in a row). It also only works if you forgot by accident.

    #1196602

    Dr. Seuss
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    Sam: It only works once if he specifically relies on the rov on purpose? Or it only works once even by mistake? i.e. if he forgot or was an onus and couldn’t make it twice in a row, the second time the Rov’s doesn’t work for him?

    #1196603

    Sam2
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    If he specifically relies it never works (unless he is specifically relying because he couldn’t). If he forgets or gets too busy twice (maybe in a row, maybe ever) then it doesn’t work the second time. I feel like if it’s Mamash and Ones Gamur and happens twice then he should be able to rely on the Rabbi. I have no source for that last statement but it makes sense.

    #1196604

    brotherofurs
    Participant

    hmm our bread got moldy , were we allowed to not eat it?

    #1196605

    Sam2
    Participant

    Allowed to not eat it? There is no obligation to eat the Eruv Tavshilin.

    #1196606

    Toi
    Participant

    if your in ey and youre keeping two days then the t’nai eitzah above should be done on 2nd day Y”T.

    #1196607

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    bump

    #1196608

    screwdriverdelight
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    I don’t think you can make a t’nai on rosh hashanah, because it’t kedusha arichta.

    Also, you only make it if you’re planning to cook, not for ‘hachana’.

    #1196609

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    I don’t think you can make a t’nai on rosh hashanah, because it’t kedusha arichta.

    Correct.

    Also, you only make it if you’re planning to cook, not for ‘hachana’.

    It’s still required, but you would not say a brochoh unless you’re planning to cook.

    #1196610

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    bump

    #1196611

    Chortkov
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    I happened to be discussing this issue just last night; what is the difference between first and second time @ the rav? Sounds from you like it is a knas. Is there a mekor for that?

    #1196612

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    ??”? ??????? ???”? ?

    #1196613

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    bump

    #1196614

    screwdriverdelight
    Participant

    I Beat DY to it.

    #1196615

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    Thanks for the eruv tavshilin reminder reminder.

    #1196616

    147
    Participant

    I didn’t require a reminder from you DaasYochid to eat up my Eruv today. When it comes to eating, I simply don’t forget to eat.

    Furthermore, I am pleased to mention that I have never forgotten to make an Eruv Tavshilin, when required to do so. Just like I didn’t forget to make a Seder last week.

    #1196617

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    See, the reminders worked!

    #1196618

    147
    Participant

    The reminder from DaasYochid had nothing to do with my remembering to eat my Eruv today, because I was unable to look at the coffee room for a reminder this morning, as I was complying with the 4th commandment.

    #1196619

    ubiquitin
    Participant

    147

    Has it ever struck you as strange that there is rabbinic literature what to do if one forgot tot make an eruv( relying on he Rav, Making on first day Yom Tov with a Tenai) Yet there is nothing about forgetting a seder.

    Do you really think they are same?

    #1196620

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    No, 147, I mean that you remembered to make your seder.

    🙂

    #1196621

    147
    Participant

    Making on first day Yom Tov with a Tenai ubiquitin is simply not a back up option when Shevi’i Shel Pesach is on Friday, as happened 2 days ago, and as is transpiring now 4 out of 5 years running.

    #1196622

    ubiquitin
    Participant

    147

    All the more reason why reminders are important.

    #1196623

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    Don’t forget to make eruv tavshilin.

    (Or was it something else you’re not supposed to forget?)

    #1196624

    Lilmod Ulelamaid
    Participant

    ok, I finally “chapped”.

    #1196625

    iacisrmma
    Participant

    Another untimely bump. What shaychis does this have in Chodesh Kislaiv?

    #1196626

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    Then maybe it was something else.

    #1367736

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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