March 28, 2023 2:19 am at 2:19 am #2177618LankyParticipant
One of the more memorable lines from my education — Shakespearean as it was — is undoubtedly “et tu brute” with a French apostrophe on top of the e. That gasp of surprise as Julius Caesar sees Brutus, and the subsequent one liner, have stayed in my head ever since.
I often reflect on that line, when i discover something about someone that catches me by surprise. “Et tu?” he’s also a baal tshuvah? Et tu? You also vote democrat? Et tu? You also published a sefer? Et tu?
Why don’t you share some of your “Et tu” moments?March 28, 2023 7:14 am at 7:14 am #2177685
It is typically used as an unexpected betrayal
So unless you are frei and feel betrayed by the baal tshuva its a little odd to say ““Et tu?” he’s also a baal tshuvah?”
On the other hand “Et tu? You also vote democrat?” that I’ve heardMarch 28, 2023 7:17 am at 7:17 am #2177652akupermaParticipant
The context is that Caesar realized that his friend and ally had betrayed, and murdered him. Thus none of the “examples” you suggest are even remotely relevant. And an “accent” is not a “French apostrophe”.
Just out of curiousity, any chance you were studying Shakespeare in a yeshiva’s English program?March 28, 2023 9:33 am at 9:33 am #2177730
“Thus none of the “examples” you suggest are even remotely relevant. ”
not necessarily. If Lanky and his friend are in some sort of anti-sefer club trying to get seforim banned or something, and he finds out his friend published a sefer he can say Et tu? You also published a sefer?March 28, 2023 12:26 pm at 12:26 pm #2177747
One of the strongest “et tu” moment was 2 days ago when I realized how foolish I am, the last one was today when I saw that video of the guy at the airport feeling canceled, for how long those politicians are going to gamble with our lives?March 28, 2023 12:26 pm at 12:26 pm #2177751
Solo tuMarch 28, 2023 12:27 pm at 12:27 pm #2177763jackkParticipant
As others have mentioned that the phrase Et Tu Brute refers to betrayal, I would posit that a better phrase for surprise would be “הֲגַ֥ם שָׁא֖וּל בַּנְּבִאִֽים”. This is an ancient Yiddishe Mashal and is brought in Nevi’im.
Shmuel Alef , Kapital Yud.
“When all who knew him previously saw him speaking in ecstasy together with the prophets, the people said to one another, “What’s happened to the son of Kish? Is Shaul too among the prophets?”
But another person there spoke up and said, “And who are their fathers?” Thus the proverb arose: “Is Shaul too among the prophets?”March 28, 2023 12:27 pm at 12:27 pm #2177764GadolhadorahParticipant
Its significant that a material percentage of CR participants have a classics education along with their awesome command of limudei torah. The two are not mutually exclusive as evidenced here.March 28, 2023 1:27 pm at 1:27 pm #2177814
I’m astonished how woefully illiterate all these posters are. “Et tu” was said to Brutus, who was roman. Hence it cannot possibly, under any circumstances, be said to or about anyone who isn’t Roman.March 28, 2023 3:31 pm at 3:31 pm #2177854
you forgot the rest of the line
Caesar didn’t know your rule, the rest of the line is “Then fall Caesar” which is English yet spoken to Romans and even if you argue that it is being said to the audience.
“Friends Romans countrymen…” is obviously being said to Romans yet in English
J’Accuse!March 28, 2023 4:51 pm at 4:51 pm #2177926
What in the world does that have to do with my post?March 28, 2023 8:20 pm at 8:20 pm #2178033
The silliness level was the sameMarch 28, 2023 11:26 pm at 11:26 pm #2178066
Romans were in England, so an Englishman can be addressed with “Et tu” on a chance he is a descendant of a Roman. Ditto, were non-Roman Jews.March 28, 2023 11:26 pm at 11:26 pm #2178068
(Brutus being adopted son of Caeser)March 29, 2023 10:11 am at 10:11 am #2178067
Maybe Et tu relates to הֲרָצַחְתָּ וְגַם יָרָשְׁתָּMarch 29, 2023 10:21 am at 10:21 am #2178142couldbeParticipant
Lanky, et tu Brute is Latin, and as such I do not believe there is an accent on the e.March 29, 2023 4:49 pm at 4:49 pm #2178335
There was nothing silly about my post; it’s a shame you’re too stupid to understand it.March 29, 2023 6:10 pm at 6:10 pm #2178546yechiellParticipant
they stab you in the back. your best friend joins in, and stabs you. ott is when you say ‘et tu’.
all the rest that i’ve seen on this post is pure nahrishkeitMarch 29, 2023 9:31 pm at 9:31 pm #2178587
I understood it
so no that’s not itApril 2, 2023 5:12 pm at 5:12 pm #2179409
It’s also 4 interesting letters, tu is et reversed?April 2, 2023 9:55 pm at 9:55 pm #2179426ujmParticipant
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