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May 1, 2016 10:08 am at 10:08 am #617640Ex-CTLawyerParticipant
The Exodus has begun….our Pesach Guests have started to depart.
Middle daughter is on her way back to her job/home in Europe and with apologies to the Queen for starting the GEOGRAPHY CLUB thread anew.
I’m posting a double based on her flight itinerary:
Lisbon, Portugal
This fact is for Geordie613. In 1978 had to fly from TLV to JBG for Pesach. El Al on strike (again). SAA put on flights but couldn’t fly over Black Africa. Flew from TLV to Lisbon to refuel and then around the west coast of Africa to get there. Portugal was the only southern European country that would let South African planes in their airspace or land.
Changing planes:
Nice, France
It’s nice in Nice. Sunshine on the Riviera. I have neighbors who escaped from Holland in 1939 and spent the war hiding out in Vichy France just outside of Nice.
May 2, 2016 10:22 am at 10:22 am #1151473Geordie613ParticipantCTL, thank you for that.
I have also flown through Lisbon, from Johannesburg when I first went to Gateshead Yeshiva. But that was on Air Portugal aka TAP. On my way back I was in transit for a day and a half, traveling Newcastle-Heathrow-Lisbon-Kinshasa-Johannesburg, from Monday morning to Tuesday afternoon.
I think SAA’s main stopover on the Europe route to avoid Africa was Ilha do Sal, in Cape Verde. They still used it later on westward flights as a crew changeover point on the flights to Atlanta. If i remember correctly, the usual route to Tel Aviv was via Ilha do sal and Rome (?) and took 22 hours. After Apartheid, they flew direct and it took 6 hours.
May 4, 2016 2:36 pm at 2:36 pm #1151474Geordie613ParticipantEdinburgh, Scotland
Thanks CTL.
Where’s the Queen?
May 4, 2016 4:07 pm at 4:07 pm #1151475Ex-CTLawyerParticipantHamburg, Germany
Gateway to America for most escaping the Pale of Settlement.
Geordie>>re: Edinburgh
As I teach my kids/grandkids, if a city name ends in Berg it means mountain, if it’s Burgh then it’s an abbreviation for borough–a small town (that later grew up.
May 4, 2016 6:22 pm at 6:22 pm #1151476zahavasdadParticipantCT
Many jews escaping Europe also went through Antwerp. In fact there is a museum there dedicated to emigration from Europe to the US (The opposite side of Ellis Island)
May 4, 2016 7:02 pm at 7:02 pm #1151477Ex-CTLawyerParticipantZD………
Ellis Island is where the newcomers arrived. We old-timers arrived at Castle Garden. My statement was MOST, not all. Hamburg was the closest major port to the Pale. Most did not cross all of western Europe to get to Antwerp before 1924
May 4, 2016 8:37 pm at 8:37 pm #1151478zahavasdadParticipantGoogle Red Star Line Museum in Antwerp
It was a fascinating museum and I found out some family history when I was there. I had family members who had gone through Antwerp and this museum (It wasnt a museum, it was the ships docking) they turned it into a museum.
If anyone here ever gets to Antwerp you should certainly visit this museum
May 5, 2016 11:42 pm at 11:42 pm #1151479Geordie613ParticipantGetting back to the subject at hand…
Glasgow, Scotland
Staying in Scotland, this the largest city in Scotland, and the fourth largest in the UK
May 6, 2016 1:42 am at 1:42 am #1151480Ex-CTLawyerParticipantWarsaw, Poland.
There was an uprising in 1943
May 9, 2016 10:34 am at 10:34 am #1151481Geordie613ParticipantWarwick, England
Warwick Castle was established in 1068 as part of the Norman conquest of England.
Warwick School claims to be the oldest boys’ school in the UK.
And by the way, for you Yanks, it’s pronounced ‘Worrik’.
May 9, 2016 5:45 pm at 5:45 pm #1151482The QueenParticipantKrakow Poland
Home of the Megalah Amukes – Reb Nosson Nota Shapira
May 9, 2016 6:26 pm at 6:26 pm #1151483Ex-CTLawyerParticipantWien. Austria
My late father in law was born there. Americans call it Vienna
May 11, 2016 10:09 am at 10:09 am #1151484Geordie613ParticipantBrits also call it Vienna, but we’ll let you get away with it this time.
Newcastle-upon-Tyne, North-East England
My birthplace!!! Local dialect is called Geordie and people born within 10 miles (according to one version) are called Geordies, which famously is the source of my nickname on this site and others.
May 11, 2016 12:30 pm at 12:30 pm #1151485Ex-CTLawyerParticipantEger, Hungary (also known as Erlau)
Famous for its red wines
May 11, 2016 1:42 pm at 1:42 pm #1151486Geordie613ParticipantRendsburg, Germany
May 11, 2016 2:19 pm at 2:19 pm #1151487Ex-CTLawyerParticipantGalway, Ireland
One branch of my family spent 50 years in Ireland on the way to America from Eastern Europe.
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