Every rebbe, every gabbai – get a pistol
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May 25, 2022 4:49 pm at 4:49 pm #2090719
After the horrible shooting in Texas, I urge every rebbi in every yeshiva, and every gabbai in every shul, to buy themselves a pistol. One shot in the mamzers’ head will stop these tragedies cold in their tracks.
Any opinions?May 25, 2022 5:03 pm at 5:03 pm #2090957MenachemFivenbirmbaumParticipant
maskimMay 25, 2022 5:47 pm at 5:47 pm #2090971
The Rebbi is always right – until he drops the pistol.May 25, 2022 5:47 pm at 5:47 pm #2090973GadolhadorahParticipant
Sadly, it more likely that rabbonim and gabboim will accidentally end up shooting the shaliach tzibur or baal koreh in the foot than taking out a real terrorist. If at risk, pay for a trained security guard during davening. Yeshivos in most major states already are eligible for public funding of security guards.May 25, 2022 6:29 pm at 6:29 pm #2090976
Great idea! Because every Rebbi is a great shot. In middle of class, waving his left thumb his right draws, fires, and re-holsters, before he brings his left hand back to point to the place. And of course he hit the spinal cord between the body armor and helmet. Without looking. Because every good Rebbi keeps his eyes in the gemara when he is not busy making sure the kids are following.May 25, 2022 6:29 pm at 6:29 pm #2090978
I have another idea. Just have the mamzer stay home and shoot himself in the head. He has the gun already. Why waste the shul’s and yeshiva’s money on guns?May 25, 2022 6:37 pm at 6:37 pm #2090998☕️coffee addictParticipant
Wow moishe talking like a republican againMay 25, 2022 6:41 pm at 6:41 pm #2090999ubiquitinParticipant
In Buffalo there was an armed security officer
In Texas (according to some reports) the shooter was confornted by armed officers before he entered the school.
More guns is unfortunately not the answerMay 25, 2022 6:42 pm at 6:42 pm #2091000Amil ZolaParticipant
What happened to all the govt money allocated for security for private schools? Why couldn’t that money be better spent hiring trained and qualified armed services? What did I miss?May 25, 2022 9:19 pm at 9:19 pm #2091029GadolhadorahParticipant
The school in Texas did have a trained security guard who this shooter was able to get by. The classroom had been hardened to keep OUT a shooter but he got in and locked the door so that police could not enter for over 25 minutes. They finally thought to ask the principal for a key which is how they finally entered and took him out. By that time, he had slaughtered 18 kids and teachers.May 25, 2022 9:20 pm at 9:20 pm #2091032Yabia OmerParticipant
The real solution is to find out why 18 year olds are shooting up schoolsMay 25, 2022 9:21 pm at 9:21 pm #2091036
What’s a pistol going to do? Get a shoulder mounted rocket propelled anti aircraft missile launcher.May 25, 2022 9:21 pm at 9:21 pm #2091037yaakov doeParticipant
Trained cops who have obligatory practice at shooting ranges frequently miss the perp they are trying to take down and all too often hit bystanders. In a crowded shul there is bound to be collateral damage if the gabbai opens fire.May 26, 2022 12:15 am at 12:15 am #2091131
People list cases when guns did not help, but there were cases when it did. for example, there was an attack on a place of worship in Texas, where worshippers responded with precise fire preventing a mass murder. So, even as most Jews do not carry, maybe we should ….
In shul, you need some safety measures, of course. No guns during kriya, for example, so that bad reading and corrections do not trigger anyone.May 26, 2022 12:15 am at 12:15 am #2091132
After many such events, local police in many places parks during services. Be nice, say hello/gut shabbos, bring a cake from shul …May 26, 2022 1:11 pm at 1:11 pm #2091217akupermaParticipant
It would make sense to have someone who knows how to use firearms. A typical rebbi or gabbai playing with a gun is more likely to shoot himself if the foot.May 26, 2022 1:11 pm at 1:11 pm #2091243midwesternerParticipant
Moishe Kapoieh is talking like someone else with the same initials. Every Jew a .22. A policy that has been discouraged strongly by virtually every Gadol in its time.May 26, 2022 1:11 pm at 1:11 pm #2091251
Some of these posts are hilarious – although this is not a time for frivolity.
But the main question is – why allow an 18 year old to buy an assault rifle, only needed by an army.
And if you do sell it, at least force them to notify the FBI what you’ve done. Then let them handle it.
Still best, let some rebbes and gabboim carry concealed weapons until they ban AK-47’s, maybe, maybe in our lifetime.May 26, 2022 2:11 pm at 2:11 pm #2091344
If the gabbai won’t give the eighteen year old an aliyah, obviously the kid needs to get a bigger gun. Why would the FBI care about who does or does not get an aliya? I think your taking this whole gabbai business too seriously.May 26, 2022 4:22 pm at 4:22 pm #2091402Yserbius123Participant
No one gets guns. Not the hunters, not the people who want home security, not the “firearm enthusiasts”, not the sharpshooters, not the snipers. Only police and military.
The Second Amendment is so anti-Torah it’s sickening. “A RIGHT to bear arms”. Where in the Torah does anyone have a right to anything? Holding a gun is a priviledge. And it should be an exclusive privilege to those who show that they are willing to put their own safety above others. Not the privilege of those who want to kill a deer.May 26, 2022 4:24 pm at 4:24 pm #2091404yaakov doeParticipant
Does moishekapoieh think those carrying should participate in the Kiddush club or should only be there to protect the participants.May 27, 2022 12:38 am at 12:38 am #2091639
YS > The Second Amendment is so anti-Torah it’s sickening.
While Torah commands us to have judges and police, I don’t think there is a mitzva to exclusively rely on them. There are multiple militias in Tanach – David, Yiftach … Plishtim prohibited Jews from making metal to limit weaponry – anti-2nd amendment in action. True, hunting for pleasure is not seen as kosher.May 27, 2022 12:58 am at 12:58 am #2091645
If you have a gun, it sounds like a mitzva to keep in a safe place and know how to use responsibly (fence on the roof, indirect damage ). So, you should presume that a Rav who is packing, is packing it kosher. If the Rav is not, then he needs to be fired for the aveirah of not being careful based on a random inspection asking to demonstrate his skills.May 29, 2022 8:39 am at 8:39 am #2091977takahmamashParticipant
When we made aliyah, we first lived on a yishuv for 9 1/2 years. Every year for Yom Kippur we’d daven at the local Hesder yeshiva, and there were always plenty of people carrying weapons – including the gabbai. I always felt sad that the weapons were needed, even if they weren’t used.May 29, 2022 6:58 pm at 6:58 pm #2092272Amil ZolaParticipant
Do frum Jews even have the money to dump thousands of dollars into a weapon, even more for ammo and range time? Interactive shooting ranges are spendy, left of the Mississippi I paid $100 an hour years ago, that’s not counting ammo. How. many hours of this type shooting experience make one qualified to shoot into a crowded active shooter situation? I had this discussion last night with a pal of mine who was a sniper in one of our gulf wars. He looked at me and said nothing replaces the training you get in the military or in a war zone. I’m guessing I’ll take the word of someone who was trained to kill and had experience in the field.May 30, 2022 7:38 am at 7:38 am #2092383tunaisafishParticipant
Thats chatzi what the second ammendment is for.May 30, 2022 3:10 pm at 3:10 pm #2092537
‘Every Jew a .22. A policy that has been discouraged strongly by virtually every Gadol in its time’
Couldn’t disagree more. Gadols do know their Torah, but do they know what’s the best Security for us? I don’t think so.May 30, 2022 3:24 pm at 3:24 pm #2092540🍫Syag LchochmaParticipant
I’m sorry you feel that way. Anyone connected to a gadol would be able to tell you that they know a lot more about life than you think and that includes the world around us. They also know what is right and wrong, regardless of what you want it to be. I hope you have an opportunity to find someone with that title that you can connect with, it is life changing.
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