April 28, 2016 5:47 pm at 5:47 pm #1150111BklynerParticipant
The chosson can get a aliya regardless if there’s a “aufruf” in shul or not.
The main reason for this “trend” is because a lot of the litvishe crowd is not very well to do and prefer not to spend money on a huge kiddush in shul plus a catering hall for both shabbos meals for family and friends if they can do it together on shabbos sheva brachos and split the cost.May 2, 2016 4:07 am at 4:07 am #1150112chatzkalParticipant
The word “aufruf” means being “called up” (to get an aliya).March 31, 2021 10:27 pm at 10:27 pm #1961693☕ DaasYochid ☕Participant
Actually, my future son in law is having an aufruf this Shabbos, Acharon shel Pesach. And as I am a Midwesterner, with Yom Tov and all, I will sadly not attend.
Similar idea this year – many chasunas taking place after Pesach will have the aliyah on Shvi’i with no shver in attendance.March 31, 2021 10:36 pm at 10:36 pm #1961703midwesternerParticipant
In this crazy time we live in, missing the aufruf is a halbeh tzorah. Sometimes sisters of the kallah can’t come because of Israeli travel restrictions!
All we really ask of Hashem is that everyone should be well and be able to participate as much as they desire!!March 31, 2021 11:34 pm at 11:34 pm #1961713ujmParticipant
What’s so terrible about not going to your future son in law’s aufruf?March 31, 2021 11:46 pm at 11:46 pm #1961712
>> because of Israeli travel restrictions!
R Yohanan: be afraid of melech malchei hamlachim as the kings on earth? you only taking precautions of your own and someone else’s health when governments require it?
Try this for comparison:
I almost got myself a nice free coat yesterday, but unfortunately it had a security tag on it?
Government does not require you to keep shabbos, how do you justify keeping it?!April 1, 2021 12:08 am at 12:08 am #1961723ujmParticipant
AAQ: You’re assuming that if the sister of the Kallah comes to the wedding next week, it is a serious health risk.April 1, 2021 8:00 am at 8:00 am #1961738
ujm, I understand that this risk is hard to quantify in each case. I can’t tell you that I would not fly if I were the sister of the Kallah myself. But we do know that we all together killed a lot of people. We know that there were a lot of activities that were not that critical. So, complaining about government that tries to save lives does not sound right for a religious person.April 1, 2021 8:00 am at 8:00 am #1961749☕ DaasYochid ☕Participant
AAQ, most people in Israel are vaccinated.April 1, 2021 7:25 pm at 7:25 pm #1961921
Ps on risk of travel. Every traveler does not see the risk. At the same time, every covid splash and a variant started with a traveler .. somehow, S African variant gets to Israel, and British to US, and NY to South Dacota … Unless you believe in CCP frozen food theoryApril 1, 2021 7:56 pm at 7:56 pm #1961920
DY, a good point, still, I think we should have a thread “if I were a kallah’s sister”, but when I started singing uisng Fiddler nigun, kids ran away.
Anyway, “if I were a kallah’s (younger) sister” last year, I would cherish an opportunity to stay home and help mommi to take care of younger siblings, keep them away form covid and other troubles, and maybe have time to be with my soon-to-be-away older sister. This would be WAAY more productive than making Tati take extra work, leaving Mommy alone with the kids so that I can learn more Rambans away from home. Wonder which experience prepares a person to be a better eshes chaiyl.April 5, 2021 9:21 am at 9:21 am #1962355NechomahParticipant
AAQ – A lot of times a “younger” sister could actually be married before the “older” brother who is the chosson and would like to come to her brother’s chassanah with her husband. The problem is is that the Israeli government does not let anybody who is not Israeli to freely come in and out of the country. Even someone who has lived in Israel for over 20 years but does not hold Israeli citizenship cannot return to his or her home simply because he or she is not Israeli. It has taken organizations, such as Chaim V’Chessed many tireless hours of work to get them to allow students who have been duly vaccinated in this country to be able to return should they dare leave the borders. I am not even referring to tourists and the like. But there are even other situations, such as my son who left for America for an extended visit with my family before vaccines were available and was not allowed to come back home for Pesach, even if he had been willing to sit in quarantine for the required two weeks.April 5, 2021 7:55 pm at 7:55 pm #1962540
Nechomah – as you mentioned “in and out”. This is the time where governments need to make quick and simple rules that can be easily followed. We have similar ideas in halakha like “lo plug” – do not create rules that can be confusing. Are the current Israeli rules reasonable in general? they appear to be: there are lots of problems with people travelling inappropriately and it is in Israel’s interest to limit that. So, if your son chose to travel to another country during pandemic, he is taking the risk of being inconvenienced somewhere.
Citizenship is a well recognized concept that creates mutual obligations between state and a citizen. So, state is willing to go an extra mile for a citizen. It is great that there are organizations trying to help in such hard cases, but it is “chesed” you are asking for, there is no reason to complain about generally reasonable rules Israeli government is using to save lives. Try to think how you can help the situation rather than create more confusion.
PS I read a story about some American who went to see his sick mother in Australia, travelling through multiple PSR checks on the way. When he finally landed, he is waiting for hours for a bus that will take him to an isolated hotel. He text his Oz brother how annoyed he is. Brother replies – if you do this in your country, you would have done better ..
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