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  • #615874
    Jewish Thinker
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    Happy Father’s Day 2015

    #1088064
    Joseph
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    Jews have Father’s Day 354 days a year, none more or less relevant than any other day. The other nations need a special father’s day since the other days they can curse him to their heart’s content.

    #1088065
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    Thanks. Are you taking me out to dinner?

    #1088066
    Harotzehbilumshmo
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    Happy fathers day #171 for 2015!(and mothers day for that matter too)

    #1088067
    Joseph
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    Dinner is on me, DY.

    Any day.

    #1088068

    ok Joseph

    Which Restaurant & what time should I meet you for dinner sponsored by you every day

    #1088069
    Jewish Thinker
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    The other nations need a special father’s day since the other days they can curse him to their heart’s content.

    Many non-jews respect their parents. Bashing is not needed.

    #1088070
    👑RebYidd23
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    Father’s day is not supposed to be the only day a person honors his or her father. It is supposed to be a special day on which we take a little extra time to celebrate fathers. Just like the oceans don’t disappear when World Oceans Day is over.

    #1088071
    IvduEsHashemBsimcha
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    I agree with RebYidd. We still have tisha b’av once a year even though we’re supposed to mourn over the destruction of the beis hamikdash all the time.

    #1088072
    akuperma
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    The “holiday” has a clearly secular origin (unlike Thanksgiving). Not problematic from a halachic perspective.

    #1088073
    atypical teen
    Participant

    Jewish thinker,

    Agreed. It is troublesome that the first thought some people have after reading the words “Fathers Day” is so negative.

    #1088074

    These klers make absolutely no sense. It’s not about just this day and not any other this day just gives you an opportunity to pause and reflect and give hakaras hatov for everything a parent does for you

    #1088075

    Just because you celebrate your birthday doesn’t mean you stop existing every other day of the year

    #1088077
    Joseph
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    Father’s Day is an offshoot of Mother’s Day. And the “Father of Mother’s Day” in America is Klu Klux Klansman J. Thomas Heflin of Alabama.

    #1088078
    WolfishMusings
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    Father’s Day is an offshoot of Mother’s Day. And the “Father of Mother’s Day” in America is Klu Klux Klansman J. Thomas Heflin of Alabama.

    1. Mother’s Day was founded by Anna Jarvis in 1912. Not a Klansmemeber.

    2. Even if they were a Klansman, so what? An idea should stand or fall on the merit of the idea, not the person who proposed it.

    The Wolf

    #1088079
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    Wolf, Heflin didn’t invent it, but he was instrumental in getting it to become a national holiday.

    All I can say about mothers’ and fathers’ days, is that if it were a chassidish’e minhag, we’d have a bunch of people claiming it’s chukas akum.

    #1088080
    ubiquitin
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    DY

    I dont know about chukas akum. But wihtout question if in a century from now there is a chasidish minhag to celebrate a specidfic day in summer to celebrate fathers, yes It should be obvious that it was copied from goyim.

    That said Joseph is silly for the many reasons:

    1) “Jews have Father’s Day 354 days a year,” So you agree we should all wish our fathers happy fathwrs day today, you just maintain we should do it tommorow too.

    2) Halevai one day a year we have proper kibud av

    3) Every day is a time for teshuva, I hope your Rav doesnt discuss teshuva in Elul, every day is time to appreciate Torah, I hope your Rav doesnt discuss these themes on Shavuos. Hodaah on Chanukah, yetzias mitzrayim on PEsach etc etc.

    4) These discussions are absolutly silly becasue the bottom line is this: If a father apreciates father’s day then there is no question that there is a mitzva deoraisa to wish him happy father’s day, if he doesnt care there is no reason too. Thus your opinion is only relevant to your children. So spare us.

    #1088081
    147
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    Muslims could not take their father out to dinner until after it got dark, due to Ramadan.

    #1088082
    WolfishMusings
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    Wolf, Heflin didn’t invent it, but he was instrumental in getting it to become a national holiday.

    And, if true, so what? Mother’s Day (or any other idea) should stand or fall on its own merits, not based on the identity of someone who may or may not be associated with it.

    What next? Ban painters because Hitler tried to be a painter?

    The Wolf

    #1088083
    oomis
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    These “holidays” were invented in order to enrich the Card Companies, in my humble opinion. And guess what? I DON’T MIND A BIT, even if that IS the case! I only wish my parents were still with me, so I could treat them especially lovingly on these respctive two days. As much kovod as we show our parents, it can never be enough, and I for one, am happy to have had that additional opportunity to make the days extra-special for them.

    #1088084
    Joseph
    Participant

    “Halevai one day a year we have proper kibud av”

    You must also say “Halevai one day a year we have proper shomer shabbos” and “Halevai one day a year we properly believe in Hashem”.

    #1088085
    Sam2
    Participant

    DY: False. I would not call this Chukas Akum if it was a Chassidish thing.

    #1088086
    ubiquitin
    Participant

    Joseph

    I do!

    I dont follow dont you agree that “Halevai one day a year we have proper shomer shabbos” and “Halevai one day a year we properly believe in Hashem”?

    Of course we SHOULD do all these things every day, but halevai one day

    #1088087
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    First of all, Wolf, I was speaking factually. Tegardless, if the origin doesn’t bother you, fine, but I can see how someone would find it distasteful to celebrate a day popularized by a violent white supremacist. Many people find it distasteful to drive a Volkswagen, although on the car’s merits alone, it might be a good, reliable, economic vehicle.

    Oomis, actually, from what I read, Anna Jarvis was quite dismayed that her invention was commercialized and actually tried to cancel it.

    #1088088
    WolfishMusings
    Participant

    First of all, Wolf, I was speaking factually.

    No, you were trying to create guilt by association.

    Many people find it distasteful to drive a Volkswagen, although on the car’s merits alone, it might be a good, reliable, economic vehicle.

    Not comparable. You may not want to enrich VW by buying their products. On the other hand, the Klansman doesn’t profit at all by anyone observing Mother’s Day.

    The Wolf

    #1088089
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    No, you were trying to create guilt by association.

    No, I wasn’t. I personally have no issue with someone sending a card or flowers, or making a visit or phone call with good wishes, to a parent who finds it meaningful.

    the Klansman doesn’t profit at all by anyone observing Mother’s Day.

    Neither do the Nazis if I buy a Volkswagen. At this point in history, it’s an emotional issue.

    #1088090
    TheGoq
    Participant

    Das hangup.

    #1088091
    oomis
    Participant

    Not buying German items IS an emotional issue. But then, I do not get why we buy ANY products that are non-Jewish. There is not a country in the world that has not tried to expel or even kill Jews en masse. Jews should not use products made by ANY of these countries, based on that line of reasoning alone. And no, I have not yet been able to bring myself to buy German made products (though supposedly they are the best), but then maybe we should not buy French perfume or couture, either. Or shop in the Arab Shuk. Or drink English tea. Or travel (thereby enriching their tourist trade)to Italy or any other country that sanctioned the murder of Jews.

    The Germans were not the first, nor unfortunately will they be the last, to try to decimate the Jewish People.This is an emotionally difficult and painful issue, but we nonetheless tend to side with the “don’t buy German” aspect of it.

    #1088092
    Jewish Thinker
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    DaasYochid-That is a bad comparison. The fact is that people associate a Volkswagen with the German Nazis.

    Most don’t associate Mother’s Day with the Klu Klux Klan.

    (Also, Father’s Day was not started by a KKK member)

    #1088093
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    I wasn’t trying to say that they’re the same.

    #1088094
    lesschumras
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    Oomis, as a side note, Italy is one of the few, if not only, European country that I’ve gone to precisely because Italian Jews had a very high survival rate. The Italians viewed Jews as fellow Italians who happened to be Jewish and went out of their way to protect them. Don’t confuse Italy with the Vatican. Local parishes hid many adult Jews after Italy surrendered and Germany took over.

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