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  • #1600903

    rachelk
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    I am not commenting on the story but watching the story I see that a female policewomen was trying to handcuff the man. I think that in a Haredie community like Boro Park the police should be trained that not a female police should handle something like this

    #1600971

    adocs
    Participant

    Maybe in a Haredie community like Boro Park , the people should be trained not to do things that get them arrested.

    #1600962

    puttinginmy2cents
    Participant

    Sorry, but you cannot dictate which type of police officer you want in your neighborhood and how they are to do their job.

    #1600949

    anonymous Jew
    Participant

    Maybe they should train the man to obey police instructions , thus avoiding having to be handcuffed

    #1600987

    thefatchanoch
    Participant

    As a Jew it’s upsetting to me watching other Jews disrespect the police who spend day and night protecting them. The hachnasas Sefer Torah was illegal. They should have gotten a permit. And then the man was resisting. And I don’t think we even need to start talking about the calling of police officers nazis

    #1600988

    ☕️coffee addict
    Participant

    Rachel,

    It wasn’t derech chibah

    #1600989

    eishsheli
    Participant

    Oh please there are men that use female doctors in the charade community police is a job

    #1601037

    Amil Zola
    Participant

    Rachel, its not like frum men are rushing out to join the NYPD so that frum men get special handling when they break the law.

    #1601049

    WolfishMusings
    Participant

    When you break the law, you don’t get the luxury of deciding which police officer will arrest you.

    The Wolf

    #1601051

    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

    Men shouldn’t use female doctors. There aren’t enough of them in the first place, and women need them.

    #1601083

    Joseph
    Participant

    Wolf: Please do not assume someone broke the law on the basis that he was arrested or even charged.

    RY23: Men shouldn’t use female doctors since there are sufficient quality male doctors that it is therefore unnecessarily and unjustified for a man to use a female.

    #1601077

    rachelk
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    First we are not sure that should have been arrested in the first place. Second I am not talking only about this case we have many many cases where we know that you are innocent until proven guilty. Third even by a hard criminal the police have rules and codes the way they can act and behave while trying to arrest a criminal.

    #1601100

    Gadolhadorah
    Participant

    Based on he video, the bald guy in BP screaming gevalt while being arrested had no clue who was dragging him off to jail . He acted as if he was on PCP or some other substance since he was acting like a vilda chayah for the cameras. The police seemed to be exercising restraint in arresting him. Perhaps as a contrarian strategy will reduce the liklihood of actions in the future: the NYPD should make it clear that they will use only female officers to subdue such nutcases in frum neighborhoods. That might serve as a deterrant.

    #1601104

    Joseph
    Participant

    Women shouldn’t be policemen, firemen or in the army altogether. (Or as the PC crowd would put it, police officers and firefighters.)

    #1601120

    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

    Okay, as long as women are never arrested or in fires or wars.

    #1601126

    yehudayona
    Participant

    Joseph, do you want male police to frisk female suspects?

    RY23 and Joseph, if the best doctor is a woman, men should use a not-so-good male doctor?

    Joseph, if you were a hospital patient and you needed the services of a nurse, would you shoo away the female nurse who came to help you? There’s a good chance that there would be no male nurses.

    #1601131

    Joseph
    Participant

    Not to many women would want a woman rather than a man to carry her out of a burning building, if G-d forbid that were necessary. And not too many women would want women in the front lines fighting ferocious enemy fighters.

    #1601138

    Toi
    Participant

    Get. A. Grip.
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    Pardon the pun, I only realized it after I typed reply. I find that happens quite often, though.

    #1601161

    ☕️coffee addict
    Participant

    First we are not sure that should have been arrested in the first place. Second I am not talking only about this case we have many many cases where we know that you are innocent until proven guilty. Third even by a hard criminal the police have rules and codes the way they can act and behave while trying to arrest a criminal.

    Rachel

    So the problem isn’t that a female police officer arrested a Frum male as you said in your title and op, the problem was that you think he was arrested too forcefully

    #1601333

    Redleg
    Participant

    Rachel, ” Innocent until proven guilty” applies in not just some but in all cases. However, the Police do not need to prove someone guilty before arresting them. All they need is “probable cause” to believe that the individual has committed a crime or offense, like disobeying a lawful order or resisting arrest. Guilt or innocence is decided by a Court of Law.

    #1601352

    Genya
    Participant

    TO: 👑RebYidd23
    “Men shouldn’t use female doctors. There aren’t enough of them in the first place, and women need them.”

    I hope for your sake you don’t end up eating your own words some day.

    #1601357

    GAON
    Participant

    Rachel,

    Correction – the one “trying to handcuff him” was a male, the female only got involved once he “resisted” and was the only other available on the scene.

    Even if they are trained etc, do they have to wait for another male to arrive?

    #1601857

    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

    Yehudayona, yes. Male doctors are terrible at treating women, so by taking a female one, you’re leaving some woman somewhere with awful healthcare. This might change someday, but that’s how it is now.

    #1602728

    cherrybim
    Participant

    I’d rather be arrested and handcuffed by a female than a male; they are more gentle.
    Also, the vast majority of medical staff at hospitals and medical facilities are female.
    In all cases, avoid chillel Hashem where the only kapora is death to the culprit.

    #1603452

    CTLAWYER
    Participant

    I no longer hold elected office, I retired last year, but am on our Town’s Police Commission. Standard protocol is for officers to wear gloves when handcuffing someone. This way if the handcuffs scratch or draw blood, the officer is not exposed to additional health risks.

    #1603462

    ☕️coffee addict
    Participant

    I wonder if there is a din of shomer negiah with trolls

    #1603701

    apushatayid
    Participant

    at least with a female, you know you wont be manhandled.

    #1603700

    apushatayid
    Participant

    with trolls, the din is syag lachochma shtika.

    #1603822

    ☕️coffee addict
    Participant

    with trolls, the din is syag lachochma shtika.

    i guess that’s why syag hasn’t commented

    #1603855

    🍫Syag Lchochma
    Participant

    😂😂🤣🤣😂😂

    #1603865

    akuperma
    Participant

    Traditionally men were expected not to fight with women, and to simply cooperate. Policewomen weren’t supposed to need to use force on men. Needless to say, few men today qualify as “gentlemen” any more.

    #1604319

    commentors miss the boat
    For Many or most e.g arabs
    to be arrested by a girl is demeaning ,
    and therefore will be resisted more

    #1604514

    jdb
    Participant

    Let’s get one thing straight. The police are here to protect society, to enforce the law. I know better than most that not every cop is a hero (I was once beaten by copy due to mistaken identity), but most cops are good people just trying to help us, the civilians. To be offended because a woman who has put her life on the line to protect society is touching you, is bigotted and foolish. Would you be offended if a female firefighter or soldier saved your life or carried you out of a burning building? Would you be offended if you collapsed on the street and a female EMT revived you?

    For what it’s worth, the gabbay/driver of a gadol told me that when his Rav used to fly at the end of his life, he was often assisted by female flight attendants. He never once asked for a male to help him, and was very polite to the flight attendants and appreciative of their assistance. I asked the gabbay how this was OK, and he said that the Rav said that this wasn’t derech chibbah. It’s like a nurse helping you.

    There is nothing wrong with a policewoman enforcing the law. If you are concerned for hallachik reasons about negiah from a policewoman, don’t break the law. If you believe that you are entitled to protest a law, you must be willing to accept the consequences. Speak to your rav and make the right hallachik decision.

    BTW – I asked the shayla about going to female health professionals, and there are different shittos. It’s not black and white, and I’m not sure this is the same thing. I can choose my health professional much of the time. I cannot choose which police officers are on hand.

    #1604543

    Joseph
    Participant

    Women should not be police, firefighters or soldiers in the first place.

    You said you were falsely beaten by a cop due to mistaken identity. You not only don’t choose which cop falsely and crookedly beats or arrests you, like you said you can be touched by a cop even if you’re completely innocent. Like yourself.

    #1604562

    Robert
    Participant

    I’ll try to remember that advice the next time that I’m unconscious in the Emergency Room and female doctors and nurses are working on saving my life.

    #1604714

    Uncle Ben
    Participant

    Time for truth; You raise an interesting point. The entire Arab Spring revolutionary movement (which resulted in untold death and destruction) was sparked by a female Tunisian police officer who slapped an unlicensed male street vendor who in despair took his own life.

    #1605004

    From reading about it, it seems it was more about having his entire means of
    parnassah taken from him than the treatment he received, although that may
    of course have been a contributing factor. (What he shouted just before the
    act was “How do you expect me to make a living?” Whether the municipal
    inspector slapped him seems subject to debate, but it is claimed that he
    was also beaten up by assisting male personnel.)

    #1605425

    Gadolhadorah
    Participant

    Hey Joey….so women should not be police, fire or emergency responders…..Hopefully, they will remember that thought when one of them passes by while you are lying in the street with cardiac arrest and they’ll wish you a refuah shelamah and explain that a MALE first responder should be coming “shortly”.

    #1605513

    rachelk
    Participant

    In first place Women don’t belong to be police or firemen for many reasons but this is not the discussion now. As far far as a women responding to an emergency. The Halacha is in case of an emergency (Pikuch Nefesh) saving a life everything is permitted and everything is supposed to be done to save a life.

    #1605522

    Gadolhadorah
    Participant

    Rachelk: In EY, approximately 25 percent of police and first responders are women and they continue to score on average materially higher then the men on peformance tests. There are women serving in the highest levels of command in the police and fire units. Not sure what planet you live on but here on Earth, women have shown themselves to be the equal or better in matters where pikuach nefesh is a daily challenge. As for “hands off”, would you suggest the women first responders use a stun gun rather than a simple headlock to restrain some ehrliche yidden who decide to run into the street and behave like animals? I’m fine with that and I suspect so would be the women police officers and first responders.

    #1605631

    Gadolh,
    Men who have too high IQ are routinely rejected from these fields
    as they reportedly
    become “bored” and/or are “unfit”
    NYPD had a lawsuit a couple years back regarding this

    #1605682

    UncleBen,Random,

    The most successful recruiters for ISIS,Al Quaida,or the Alt Right(paradoxically
    continue to be those who snobbily disdain and demean these…

    #1605835

    She didn’t say that they weren’t capable, but that they shouldn’t do it.

    #1605750

    Gh,
    Face it
    Negiah & the like, is of little value for You to begin with

    #1605889

    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

    Gadolhadorah, what would you say to an innocent woman’s #MeToo story of being arrested by a male police officer?

    #1605441

    Joseph
    Participant

    KotonHadorah: When you’re incapacitated in a burning building hopefully you’ll remember that when a female fireman tries lifting your 285 lb. frame to shlep you out. Or when you’re in a foxhole with a female soldier and are distracted by that from paying attention to enemy fire.

    #1605982

    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

    Joseph, on average, men can lift more weight. However, there are individual women who can compete with men in that regard, and the average woman can lift more than you can. Why shouldn’t those women who are strong enough be firefighters? Also, if you’re distracted by a female in a foxhole, it’s not because she’s female, it’s because there’s something wrong with you.

    #1606011

    Females do not have the bone density of males and get stress fractures easily and could not even carry the rifle and backpack at the USMA (West Point) without getting stress fractures so that had to be modified as is so much for females to pass requirements. In 1948, Israel had males and females in the IDF equal in combat and that caused the deaths of males to soar as they compromised their missions to protect the women and the Arabs fought harder to avoid being defeated by females in battle. It was too costly in lives to continue.

    That is a special calling for females to sacrifice so much to put haShem and family before all else.

    #1606005

    Joseph
    Participant

    No, RY23; something would be wrong with him if he was not distracted by her.

    #1606013

    A big problem with females in the military
    is that they disrupt male bonding.
    People in the military die for their friends. They don’t die for a cause or the nation or whatever else is being fought for. They die for their friends. Disrupting male bonding means fewer are willing to die for friends if they don’t consider those in the unit friends because of the disruption of male bonding which happens when females are present in combat and in training .(try running bloody and naked through a river carrying a comrade with a member of the opposite gender nearby)
    All female or all male units have been successful in Russian studies, but don’t mix males and females in training/combat/air combat units.

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