April 4, 2023 2:45 pm at 2:45 pm #2180031
Doubling alliance’s land border with Russia. It will also bolster the alliance’s presence around the Baltic Sea and enhance its position in the Arctic.
It is a historic shift for a country that once insisted it was safer outside the military alliance and a sign of how Russian President Vladimir Putin’s gamble in Ukraine is upending the post-Cold War order.
To justify his unprovoked attack on Ukraine, Putin cited the possibility of NATO expansion. Now, his war has brought a bigger, stronger NATO to his door.
“I am tempted to say, maybe this is the one thing that we can thank Mr. Putin for,” U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken said in Brussels on Tuesday.April 4, 2023 3:10 pm at 3:10 pm #2180041
Just when Russia (and its Chinese overlord) are getting ready for the big rumble (third of its kind, first in the lifetime of anyone who is not pre-boomer), Putin convinces the two most powerful neutrals in the world to give up neutrality. Sweden and Finland both have “history” with Russia, and there was no rational reason for Russia to want them joining the west. Russia may want its former territories back (e.g. Poland, Finland, the Baltics, and even Alaska) but unless they can convince the US to “stand down” and acquiesce to Russia conquering Europe (possible perhaps with Trump as president, but still unlikely) the Russians have been painting themselves into a corner and even the Chinese won’t be able to save them.April 4, 2023 5:57 pm at 5:57 pm #2180064
A political stunt meant to stick it to Putin. They did not want to be in NATO during the times of the USSR and the Warsaw Pact, and now they want?April 4, 2023 5:57 pm at 5:57 pm #2180071
another quiz: there is now a country that is surrounded from almost everywhere by NATO countries. Which one is that and what are they going to do about it !?April 5, 2023 12:24 am at 12:24 am #2180104mlbrklynParticipant
To always ask do you mean switzerland, Austria and Serbia ? Because if know geography most of Russia borders are in Asia not in Europe.April 5, 2023 6:21 am at 6:21 am #2180206
Yet another huge win for Biden. Russia’s only hope to reverse this and other foreign policy reverses is for Putin to get his Useful Idiot Trump back in the White House.April 5, 2023 10:42 am at 10:42 am #2180229
mlbrklyn, Close but I don’t think so, as they are bordering other non-Nato countries (sitzerland – austria) and serbia some other yugoslavs.April 5, 2023 10:42 am at 10:42 am #2180230
modern, When did Biden suggest enlarging NATO, I missed that, pls clarify.
On the other hand, Trump demanded from NATO members to increase their contributions (or else!) and for Germany to stop buying Russian gas. This is now achieved. I am sure your opinion is sincere based on the headlines you saw, without analyzing the articles. Maybe the dissonance between your opinion and the above-mentioned facts will help you clean up your information sources before Pesach.April 5, 2023 10:42 am at 10:42 am #2180234GadolhadorahParticipant
If Turkey and Greece are considered “North Atlantic” why not Israel?? Perhaps Erdogan will find a reason to object.April 5, 2023 10:42 am at 10:42 am #2180235
MDD: Why would Finland want to make a “stunt”?
akuperma: What is this “big rumble” you’re referring to?April 5, 2023 3:41 pm at 3:41 pm #2180257
When Russia, made bold after conquering Ukraine, goes after Poland and the Baltics, and at the same time China invades Taiwan. All of NATO is at war with Russia when that happens, and the US and it Asian allies will probably at war with China (or at the least extreme hostility including a applying the trading with the enemy act). It will be a great blast. And it will make the kids stop complaining about the boomer generation – since as President Kennedy said in his inaugural, it was war and depression what set up the “greatest generation” for greatest, so the boomers (including Biden, Trump, Putin, Xi) are setting up the next generation to great things.April 5, 2023 3:42 pm at 3:42 pm #2180260lakewhutParticipant
So you’re happy that they’re getting us into WW3?April 8, 2023 9:29 pm at 9:29 pm #2180266
lakewhut: It isn’t for me to question what Ha-Shem does. Ha-Shem runs the world, I don’t.
The Americans elect their leaders, and the last few are probably responsible for giving the Russians and the Chinese idea they if they say “boo” the US will runaway and give them what they desire. To a certain extent, the responses to the Ukrainian invasion may have convinced them to reconsider.
At my age, it doesn’t really affect me.April 9, 2023 10:30 pm at 10:30 pm #2180529
Answer to my question above: SwedenApril 10, 2023 12:14 am at 12:14 am #2180573
“why not Israel?”
I personally think that Israel SHOULD join NATO. But it would have to admit that it’s *de jure* birders are the 1949 Armistice lines.April 10, 2023 12:14 am at 12:14 am #2180572
Always Ask Questions,
The “or else” is the end of NATO, which Trump desperately wanted but didn’t dare attempt because Mitch McConnell would have blocked it. The sanctions in Russia in response to the gas were also enacted by Congress over Trump’s objections because McConnell knew that Trump could not be trusted on Putin.
Stop defending the Putin stooge.April 10, 2023 12:15 am at 12:15 am #2180571
Always Ask Questions,
Biden has supported expanding NATO since at least 1998. He came out strongly in favor of adding Sweden and Finland last May. He has supported Ukraine joining NATO at least since 2009. .April 10, 2023 7:58 am at 7:58 am #2180592lakewhutParticipant
Biden is a moron. The stupidest person to hold office from senate to vp to WH. He doesn’t have one good piece of legislation and policy on record.April 11, 2023 7:18 am at 7:18 am #2180727
On 8/9/22, President Joe Biden signed NATO accession protocols for Finland and Sweden, moving the defense alliance closer to adding two wealthy, militarily advanced members amid Russia’s ongoing assault on Ukraine.
Biden’s approval followed overwhelming support from both chambers of Congress earlier this summer, with the Senate ratifying the agreement last week. Efforts to welcome the two Nordic countries to the treaty have received bipartisan support, with Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell last week calling their admission a “slam dunk” for national security.April 11, 2023 3:51 pm at 3:51 pm #2180737
Turkey is blocking NATO from accepting Sweden until Sweden deports Kurdish terrorists to Turkey.April 14, 2023 12:15 am at 12:15 am #2180948
Modern, please try to separate facts from your biases to have a meaningful discussion. To claim that Trumps call to increase NATO funding was a plot to undermine is not even worthy to be published by pravdaApril 14, 2023 12:16 am at 12:16 am #2180946
Modern, I agree that Biden in general responded to Russian aggression in the right direction. He is no Alger Hiss… one can argue about effectiveness of his specific policies. I think these are mostly to his advisors relying on their academic wisdom and not having enough real life exposure. It was easily seen in Afghanistan withdrawal. Nobody was dismissed and same chachamim continued. Their theory that they should gently warn Putin so that he knows if he continues, thete will be more responses- similarly failed as it was interpreted as bluff. Would puRussia stop if we have given Ukrainian Himars and planes in January 2022? I don’t know but it made sense to tryApril 16, 2023 9:54 pm at 9:54 pm #2181393
UJM, why would Finland want to participate in this stunt? Because the US and their Western allies, most likely, pressured and cajoled it.April 16, 2023 11:17 pm at 11:17 pm #2181424
mdd: You don’t think it is reasonable to Finland to fear a Russian territorial grab sometime in the next 35 years given that Russia has made territorial grabs against many neighboring states over the last 35 years?
Finland, too, was once part of the Russian Empire.April 17, 2023 7:50 am at 7:50 am #2181430
UJM, again, they were not running to join NATO when they had the whole USSR next to them, backed by the Warsaw Pact nations, and now they became nervous?April 17, 2023 11:04 am at 11:04 am #2181517
Why shouldn’t they become nervous after Russia invaded Ukraine killing millions of people to expand its borders?
Russia and the USSR are totally different.
How can an international treaty to cooperate militarily be considered a stunt? No country would agree to join NATO as a stunt.April 17, 2023 11:09 am at 11:09 am #2181551
Jackk, they killed millions of people invading Ukraine? Are you sober?
According to the Western mindset, the USSR and modern Russia are all the same evil Russians.
Stop swallowing the propaganda.April 17, 2023 11:29 am at 11:29 am #2181554
jackk, knowing some history would not hurt (just not at the expense of learning Torah — learn history in the bathroom). The USSR swallowed the Baltic countries which are not really Russian (though had been a part of the Russian empire). Putin is trying to re-attach parts of Ukraine to Russia — both of which had been a part of the original Russian state.April 17, 2023 12:19 pm at 12:19 pm #2181599
The following statement is 100% pure undiluted Russian Propaganda.
“Putin is trying to re-attach parts of Ukraine to Russia — both of which had been a part of the original Russian state.”
Finland, Sweden and the rest of NATO are 100% correct to not believe a word of it.
Putin does not have permission to “re-attach” anything just because he “believes” it was historically his.
I admit a millions deaths is a guzmah – so far. I should have written “displaced and destroyed the lives of”. But since the war is still ongoing and Putin appears to be ready to draft as many people as he needs, it might not be so wrong in the end.
In terms of current events, Finland has been very public in why they wanted to join NATO now.
No stunts. No pressure.
In late August 2022 Finland’s foreign policy leadership gathered in Helsinki for the Annual Heads of Mission meeting to discuss current security and foreign affairs.
Contrary to the idea that Helsinki was afraid of Russian military action against Finland, the decision to apply for NATO membership in May was based above all on proactive risk management. The always present potential of Russia’s threat had to be viewed from a different perspective after February. Finland’s previous restraints – national defense, the international rules-based order and close defense cooperation with NATO – were deemed insufficient under the circumstances.
Hence, the conclusion was that only NATO’s article five and its nuclear deterrence could provide Finland with sufficient security.April 17, 2023 1:26 pm at 1:26 pm #2181609
Jackk, like I said, learn some history. Even from the American academic(!) sources.
Also, think critically and don’t be naive.
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