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January 20, 2012 12:01 am at 12:01 am #601716
There are so many frum Jews and chassidish women in Miami Beach.
I confess I am one of them. Even though we may be dressed tzniusly, but this place is soo not tznius, yet we do it anyway! Why do we think it is okay!?!?January 20, 2012 3:13 am at 3:13 am #846961
what area of Miami Beach?
I don’t understand your question what do “we” do?January 20, 2012 3:22 am at 3:22 am #846962
Because most people have no yiras shomayim and just do what they want because hey everyone else is doing it.
If it bothers you that means you still have some yiras shomayim left. So why don’t you leave asap and be mekabel not to go again bli neder unless its some kind of emergency?January 20, 2012 3:42 am at 3:42 am #846963
you know people live in Miami Beach too (it’s not just a tourist attraction)January 20, 2012 5:10 am at 5:10 am #846964
Obviously if you live there you must be there but even then you would be required to make serious gdarim. There’s no heter for a man to willingly expose himself to pritzus. Its also not recommended for women either to be on a mixed beach and in pritzus as exposure to it negatively effects ones sensitivities.January 20, 2012 5:39 am at 5:39 am #846965
coffee addict- I understand people live here, but I am not talking about those people. I’m assuming the people who live here, aren’t sitting on the beach by the hotels, these people are probably tourists.
This past week I’ve seen at least 3 dozen chassidish and frum orthodox women on the beach (most of them dressed tzniusly, although some were wearing bathing suits). I am NOT judging at all, because as I mentioned before, I am here too, sitting on the same beach (dressed tzniusly as well).
WIY- I wish I could leave, but at the same time I love it here. It’s the worst inner conflict. My neshama wants out, my guf wants in. I love it and I hate it. It’s a REALLY great vacation place, but it’s so pritzusdik.
ARGHHJanuary 20, 2012 6:01 am at 6:01 am #846966Think firstMember
Wow! Yetzer hora and the yetzer tov having a conversation in the coffe room.January 20, 2012 12:47 pm at 12:47 pm #846967
Sorrry I guess I misunderstood your OP
Yes, if you’re a snowbird you shouldn’t be there (for one reason at least, that it clogs up kastners)January 20, 2012 2:55 pm at 2:55 pm #846968
Doing what’s right often isn’t easy. At least try be mekabel bli neder to not go again.January 20, 2012 4:27 pm at 4:27 pm #846969BTGuyParticipant
Because a Yid can bring Torah wherever they go.
It’s not easy or necessarily recommended in places where it may be difficult, but ……….January 21, 2012 11:57 pm at 11:57 pm #846970kfbParticipant
Yid4life, I’D love to move to Florida! Are there any jobs down there?January 22, 2012 5:05 am at 5:05 am #846971
The idea is to bring Torah to all the places it is permissible to go. Not all vacation places are permissible to go to. Especially if you know you will have a hard time avoiding the beaches…January 23, 2012 3:38 am at 3:38 am #846972mewhoParticipant
i loved the weeks we spent there vacationing
it was a nice break in the middle of the cold wintersJanuary 23, 2012 7:14 pm at 7:14 pm #846973BTGuyParticipant
Yes, that is “an” idea.
Do you know if yid4life lives there or is, as you suggest, vacationing?January 23, 2012 8:33 pm at 8:33 pm #846974
Yid says she’s vacationing thereJanuary 23, 2012 9:10 pm at 9:10 pm #846975apushatayidParticipant
You can always move to the Artic circle. Eskimos are not known to be pritsusdik people.January 24, 2012 3:43 am at 3:43 am #846976
Nobody said that one has to do that we are discussing that one is not permitted to vacation in a pritzusdig place.
Just like one may not look at pritzus in Brooklyn the same applies to Florida, California or anywhere else for that matter including the Arctic circle.January 24, 2012 4:23 am at 4:23 am #846977
exactly. My neshama is being scarred more and more each day here. Seriously, it’s like living in times square. You can’t even try to avoid the pritzusness.
Seriously, all frum Yidden, don’t test yourselves. It isn’t worth it down here.
I can’t even make up excuses that it is okay to be here. It is horrible.January 24, 2012 5:33 am at 5:33 am #846978RABBAIMParticipant
Daven for the strength to keep convictions alive and to act on themJanuary 24, 2012 10:11 am at 10:11 am #846979apushatayidParticipant
WIY. I was being sarcastic. If the vacation hurts the ruchniyus of this person, they should get up and go. Instead they self righteously whine about it online. And people appluad that?January 24, 2012 12:10 pm at 12:10 pm #846980
Hmmm, I’m so sure that I have NEVER seen any lack of tznius, be it in clothing or behavior, in the country over the summer… (please note the sarcastic tone)
I think that all Yidden who struggle with tznius issues should stop going to Walmart in Monticello, too.January 24, 2012 2:54 pm at 2:54 pm #846981dunnoMember
For a frum guy I can understand why it might be an issue but what’s the problem for girls?January 24, 2012 4:13 pm at 4:13 pm #846982mikehall12382Member
I’m going to Florida in a couple of weeks…Can’t wait!January 24, 2012 4:44 pm at 4:44 pm #846983
I’m going to Florida this week!January 24, 2012 5:23 pm at 5:23 pm #846984
I’m actually in Florida right now! (Wish I can post a pic of the beautiful water here.)
(That doesn’t make it right for anyone though. Everyone should do what they feel is right.)January 25, 2012 3:16 am at 3:16 am #846985
I think we need to stop being motzi shem rah on all of “Florida” or even “Miami Beach”. There are hundreds of ehriche, frum Yidden living there, yireim v’shleimim, who are bringing up beautiful Torah families. The problem is with the “imports”, those people who choose to vacation in this area because of the beautiful weather, and conveniently leave their Shulchan Aruch and Mishnah Brurah at home. There are plenty of kosher opportunities for entertainment. You don’t have to go to the beach. It happens that the proper attire for the beach is known to not be tzniusdik. So if you at all care, DON’T GO TO THE BEACH! Take walks. Go biking. Go boating. Go to the theme parks. There’s plenty of entertainment without taxing your yetzer hara. Oh, and if you’re really interested, there are several yeshivos and kollelim that are fully functional during “vacation”.January 25, 2012 5:32 am at 5:32 am #846986
Morahmom- I just passed a red volkswagon on the road with a woman driver. License plate was “mora mom”! Is that you???January 25, 2012 2:00 pm at 2:00 pm #846987
Hi, Smart Cookie. No, sorry. We do the minivan thing with no vanity plates.January 25, 2012 2:40 pm at 2:40 pm #846988
Lol morah- was just funny to see that plate, and I was like’ hey, where do I recognize that name from?!January 27, 2012 3:21 am at 3:21 am #846989
Greetings from the sunshine state!January 27, 2012 7:04 am at 7:04 am #846990OneOfManyParticipant
How’s the weather down there? 🙂January 27, 2012 12:40 pm at 12:40 pm #846991
Enjoy goq! Relax for us all!January 27, 2012 2:40 pm at 2:40 pm #846992zahavasdadParticipant
I am the only Noo Yawker who hates Florida
Its pretty warm here today, gonna be 59 DegreesJanuary 29, 2012 9:00 pm at 9:00 pm #846993147Participant
Are we Jewish Floridan’s supporting Rick Sanotorum? Mitt Romney? Newton Gingrich?
Everyone is sending e-mails about Peritzus:- What about all this Loshon hoRoh?
Peritzus never killed the spies, whereas Loshon hoRoh sure did finish off the spies, and cost us 40 years in the desert.January 30, 2012 10:35 pm at 10:35 pm #846994
however tznius was the reason we left mitzrayim (lo sheena malvushamn)January 30, 2012 11:03 pm at 11:03 pm #846995
I’ve lived in Miami my whole life & although I’m “not so yeshivish” from a Jewish standpoint Miami Beach is far from “horrible.”January 30, 2012 11:27 pm at 11:27 pm #846996lesschumrasParticipant
It’s OK to be motzei shem rah on imports?January 31, 2012 12:42 am at 12:42 am #846997
Maybe ur talking about a different Miami Beach then the part I was in yeshiva by (correct 41st st from alton to pinetree isn’t that bad but outside of that its horrible)January 31, 2012 12:46 am at 12:46 am #846998
Thank you oneofmany and smartcookie the vacation is winding down but i am having a great time, sorry i missed ur comments i musta been walking in my short sleeves and baseball cap.January 31, 2012 1:10 am at 1:10 am #846999nmamaMember
All of you Florida experts, just to change the focus slightly, can you give ideas for what to do in North Miami Beach that does not involve swimming or being on the beach? We’re really just looking to relax and be warm.January 31, 2012 1:54 am at 1:54 am #847000
If you hang around the beach then you’re going to see people dressed up not “tznius.” That’s just the way life goes; it doesn’t mean Miami Beach is “horrible” for Jews.January 31, 2012 2:06 am at 2:06 am #847001
you must be really yeshivish if the only places you go is 41st
have you entered publix on 17th (do you go shopping in goyishe supermarkets, you certainly must if you’re not so yeshivish) (and that’s not even in south beach)January 31, 2012 2:43 am at 2:43 am #847002
I just noticed you went to florida and didn’t take me in your suitcase
WE HAD A DEAL!January 31, 2012 3:31 am at 3:31 am #847003
LOL You crack me up. I’m a “frum yid” just not “yeshivish.” I don’t hang around inappropriate places but that’s simply my decision. I know what it’s like & I just don’t wanna have anything to do with it.
I actually live in NMB (not by 10th avenue), I just went to Yeshiva in MB…But if you’re having problems with the Publix on 17th then I suggest you just keep your eyes on the products & forget about the other customers.
Miami Beach is a great place for Jews to live. Sure, if you go by places like the beach or lose your way to South Beach & end up on Washington Avenue then you’re gonna see a lot of inappropriate things-but(correct me if I’m wrong) all Jewish neighborhoods have inappropriate places nearby (though not as bad as the beach/Washington Avenue).
Perhaps I could show you my point by means of analogy: Would you not live in the Old City (Jerusalem) because of Ben Yehuda? Of course not. You’d just stay away from there & hang around the Kotel/Rova/etc. So here also-just know where you are and don’t go to places you shouldn’t be.January 31, 2012 4:28 am at 4:28 am #847004brotherofursParticipant
i just came back and i was having a good time while i was there, but when i came back i realized that i think i became a totally diff person 🙁 i feel like i have to build myself up all over again. i feel like i have to work on yeiras shamayim more than ever because i stayed there for 7 days. now i think it was a horrible experience that was nottt worth it. i dont want to go again :(.
nmama- we did somefun things that didnt invovle beach and stuff.. we went to the metro zoo which was tons of fun! especially when you get those big family bikes (that fits 6 ppl) and u bike around the zoo 🙂
we went out to eat a lot and walking around the waterways is fun 🙂
a few years ago we went to a nice science museum when it was raining and my younger siblings loved itt (forgot wat its called)
my friend told me about lion country safari, a painting place across the street from aventura mall, lincoln road- a nice street with shops and stuff, and she said she had the best time in walmart and made a day activity out of it!:DJanuary 31, 2012 4:30 am at 4:30 am #847005southernMember
lipa said it all i believeJanuary 31, 2012 5:08 am at 5:08 am #847006
Addict oops i was sure i packed everythingJanuary 31, 2012 5:35 am at 5:35 am #847007
That answers it, you live in nmb which you agree is a totally different matziv than miami beach proper, you can shop at publix and not have a problem, miami beach is totally different
Oh and btw I moved from there 7 months agoJanuary 31, 2012 12:40 pm at 12:40 pm #847008
lesschumras – I’m not suggesting it’s ok to be motzi shem ra on anyone, nor am i specifying where the imports are imported from. My point was that it is the sad truth that when people are on vacation, and this includes in other locales over the summer, SOMETIMES there is a strong temptation to dress, act and speak differently than one normally does.
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