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  • #595450

    ✡onegoal™
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    Do you buy flowers for Shabbos? Every Shabbos or only on occasions?

    #746531

    RSRH
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    When I first got married, I was makpid to buy flowers every shabbos – nothing extravagant, just something tasteful. As time went on I stopped buying them so often and last week I realized that I had not bought any for nearly six months! I immediately ran out only an hour before shabbos to pick something up. With God’s help, I will make sure to buy a small arrangement each week, and perhaps something a bit more special for shabbos mevorchim.

    #746532

    BaalHabooze
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    Every Erev Yom Tov, our Anniversary and for my wife’s birthday. Never for Shabbos though.

    #746533

    deiyezooger
    Member

    flowers is a matter of taste, if you like it, you love it and you’ll buy it every week, and if you hate it, then you’ll never buy it. ok maybe just for shavous.(i should add)

    #746534

    smartcookie
    Member

    Deiyez- Is there anyone who actually hates flowers?

    #746535

    abcd2
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    Dear smartcookie, there actually are people like that. They believe flowers are messy and wasteful (assuming it is a nice arrangement what else would you pay twenty bucks or more for just to throw out in a day or two)personally, i do try to buy flowers erev shabbos nothing expensive though. I also have seen this inyan in seforim.

    #746536

    TheGoq
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    An anthophobic

    #746537

    Poster
    Member

    I love flowers, our vase just broke. so until i get out and get another one, no flowers for me!

    #746538

    Shticky Guy
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    There is a midrash somewhere (cant think offhand where) that says that flowers were created specifically to adorn Jews’ shabbos tables

    #746539

    always here
    Participant

    I LOVE flowers!! when I used to walk up to Ave. J or be around Maimonides Hospital I’d buy flowers (a bunch of beauties for $3-$5-$7)erev Shabbos. now I don’t, but my children give me gorgeous bouquets for Yom Tovim, & my birthday.

    my husband, OTOH, buys me treats for Shabbos: GRIEVEN or CHOPPED LIVER!!! they’re ‘treats’ cuz I have high blood pressure & high cholesterol (both under control w/ meds). thanks, lovey, but I sure would love some flowers for the Shabbos table once in a while, too!! 😉

    #746540

    gavra_at_work
    Participant

    Do you buy flowers for Shabbos? Every Shabbos or only on occasions?

    Costs too much. I have to pay tuition. Buying flowers and paying less tuition would be (IMHO) Gezaila.

    #746541

    SJSinNYC
    Member

    I’m with GAW.

    During the summer, we snip some hydrangeas from our backyard plants.

    #746542

    WolfishMusings
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    Not every erev Shabbos. I might if the budget allowed for it (besides the fact that Eeees likes them, I also get to take pictures of them). As it is, it’s usually every other or every third week.

    The Wolf

    #746543

    smartcookie
    Member

    Wolf- you do know that for anything you buy Lkovod Shabbos, Hashem pays you back double…

    #746544

    WolfishMusings
    Participant

    Wolf- you do know that for anything you buy Lkovod Shabbos, Hashem pays you back double…

    That’s nice… but it doesn’t always put the money in my pocket ahead of time — which is when I need it to buy the flowers.

    And, besides, you can also argue that since the flowers aren’t *purely* l’kavod Shabbos (they also serve as an expression of gratitude and love towards Eeees AND as photographic subjects), they might not be reimbursed double or even at all.

    The Wolf

    #746545

    s2021
    Member

    If its bought Lkovod Shabbos I cant say anything.. but I know people who r super makpid to buy it for ther wives every week- for shalom bayis I guess.. and Im all for buying ur wife stuff, and I love flowers but I just think its sooo wastefull, and expensive for every single week.. I would so much rather get a mopped floor every week, a laundry basket folded.. or better yet, Id rather get a 15 dollar gift certificate every week! 🙂 Or put the money aside n buy me a huge piece of bling I could wear lkovod Shabbos.. 🙂

    #746546

    SJSinNYC
    Member

    smartcookie, then pay full tuition first and don’t worry about your food bill.

    #746547

    gavra_at_work
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    Wolf- you do know that for anything you buy Lkovod Shabbos, Hashem pays you back double…

    So if I buy Prime Rib for Shabbos, Hashem will pay me back double?

    How about an Armani Suit?

    No wonder why we are seeing more designer clothing. It because the buyers expect to make a profit on the purchase!

    #746548

    real-brisker
    Member

    cookie – I never heard about the double part.

    #746549

    Here in EY you can get a nice bouquet for 10 shekel. Or a single rose for 2 shekel. So yes my husband buys flowers every Shabbos.

    #746550

    My husband buys me one rose every Shabbos. I really look forward for it. It means so much to me! Every week another color. Nowadays, they make really nice and interesting colors!!!!

    #746551

    smartcookie
    Member

    RB- I think there’s a posuk about it. But it’s only things Lkovod Shabbos that I get paid back for. An armani suit is more Lkovod your own pride!

    #746552

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    #746553

    gavra_at_work
    Participant

    smartcookie: As are most things, including flowers. Unless you can tell me that you get no Hanaha from them, and buying flowers purely for the sake of Shabbos?

    As per your Pasuk, I think you are getting confused with giving tzedaka, where it says Aser Bishvil SheT’sasher, or give so that you shall become rich.

    #746554

    WolfishMusings
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    An armani suit is more Lkovod your own pride!

    And, as I explained above, the flowers are not strictly for Shabbos. They also serve as love notices for Eeees and as subjects for photography.

    (Shameless plug: This shot was one of our “Shabbos flowers”

    https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/1AQThfnDO8sKYweZGAXffQ?feat=directlink )

    The Wolf

    #746555

    smartcookie
    Member

    Flowers? are purely to make a beautiful shabbos table. It makes me feel good because my house looks calm and shabbosdig. That’s called Hanaoh Lkovod Shabbos. An armani suit is more for others to see how beautiful you look.

    Can’t really explain it, but there’s a huge difference between the two.

    (And btw, we do wear special beautiful Shabbos clothes. But the Shabbos doesn’t really care if your suit cost $50 or $500!)

    #746556

    WolfishMusings
    Participant

    (emphasis mine)

    Flowers? are purely to make a beautiful shabbos table.

    Not necessarily. I’ve explained above that I have other intentions (in addition to Shabbos) when I purchase flowers. At least in my case (and my case is the only one that matters for this discussion since it began when you took me to task for refusing to spend money I don’t have), it not *purely* to make a beautiful Shabbos table.

    The Wolf

    #746557

    nishtdayngesheft
    Participant

    So guys, you heard it hear first, and straight from the wolf’s mouth. Wolf’s intentions are not pure.

    #746558

    smartcookie
    Member

    So there you go Wolf- everyone has different things that make their Shabbos more beautiful. For me flowers are for Kvod Shabbos only.

    #746559

    Understand
    Member

    Wolf; that is a magnificent shot!

    #746560

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    the flowers aren’t *purely* l’kavod Shabbos

    Although I have no source, I think that if you would have bought the flowers even if Shabbos was the only consideration, you’ll get reimbursed.

    I buy mine in a store which takes a credit card. 🙂

    #746561

    WolfishMusings
    Participant

    So guys, you heard it hear first, and straight from the wolf’s mouth. Wolf’s intentions are not pure.

    I never made any claims to purity. On the contrary, I may well be the most impure person on the face of the earth.

    The Wolf

    #746562

    WolfishMusings
    Participant

    So there you go Wolf- everyone has different things that make their Shabbos more beautiful. For me flowers are for Kvod Shabbos only.

    And that’s fine if that works for you.

    Now that you concede my flowers aren’t solely for Shabbos, do you retract your criticism of me for not buying them every week?

    The Wolf

    #746563

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    On the contrary, I may well be the most impure person on the face of the earth.

    Since when is “impure” synonymous with “self-effacing”?

    #746564

    smartcookie
    Member

    Wolf no way did I criticize you. If you do what’s good for you, then it’s also good for me!

    You just mentioned money so I said that you will get repaid!

    #746565

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    #746566

    real-brisker
    Member

    Wolf who said it has to be bought purely for lkavod shabbos? Food for example as much as it is bought lkavod shabbos, you are still getting your own pleasure.

    #746567

    WolfishMusings
    Participant

    Wolf no way did I criticize you.

    My apologies. It sounded (to me) like you were taking me to task for not buying flowers every week because of financial considerations. My apologies if that was not your intent.

    The Wolf

    #746568

    WolfishMusings
    Participant

    Wolf who said it has to be bought purely for lkavod shabbos? Food for example as much as it is bought lkavod shabbos, you are still getting your own pleasure.

    That’s a very good question. However, it could be argued that (a) food is required for Shabbos, flowers are not; (b) for all practical purposes, one cannot eat without having pleasure from it or, conversely, the purpose of eating food on Shabbos *is* to have pleasure from it — and since it will be done on Shabbos, that makes it for Shabbos. Flowers, when bought with other purposes in mind, does not meet that criteria.

    The Wolf

    #746569

    WolfishMusings
    Participant

    Since when is “impure” synonymous with “self-effacing”?

    One has nothing to do with the other. The most impure person could be self-effacing or not, as can be the purest person.

    The Wolf

    #746570

    smartcookie
    Member

    Wolf- neither to I buy flowers every Shabbos. Only sometimes!

    (Maybe I should start…)

    #746572

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    One has nothing to do with the other. The most impure person could be self-effacing or not, as can be the purest person.

    My suspicion is that your calling yourself the most impure person on the face of the earth is merely being self-effacing.

    #746573

    WolfishMusings
    Participant

    My suspicion is that your calling yourself the most impure person on the face of the earth is merely being self-effacing.

    You’re entitled to your opinion. I’m entitled to my opinion that I think you’re wrong on this.

    The Wolf

    #746574

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    You’re entitled to your opinion. I’m entitled to my opinion that I think you’re wrong on this.

    Then we’ll have to agree to disagree. 🙂

    Good Shabbos!

    #746575

    real-brisker
    Member

    Wolf I do not undesrtand your logic.

    #746576

    WolfishMusings
    Participant

    Wolf I do not undesrtand your logic.

    Food is, if I may coin a term “ee efshar d’lo m’hani.” You cannot eat food without having very real physical benefit from it. Flowers, on the hand, are not in that category. One can buy flowers solely for the aesthetics of it and for the beauty of Shabbos.

    The Wolf

    #746577

    me too
    Member

    Visual ???? doesn’t count?

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    #746578

    WolfishMusings
    Participant

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    You can choose to ignore the flowers or just not pay attention to them. You can even move them off the table and put them on a shelf somewhere else. If you’re not close to them, you can avoid the smell (for most flowers).

    You cannot ignore the taste of food as you’re eating it. You cannot avoid the satisfaction of having your hunger sated after having eaten.

    The Wolf

    #746579

    real-brisker
    Member

    Wolf – You can eat horribly tasting food that your are garunteed not to have hanah from. And besides I think the whole kovod shabbos is that you *DO* have hanah from the food or the flowers. What good is the flowers if you don’t appreciate it. There would be no purpose in buying flowers lkavod shabbos if you wont be home, right? So I think your whole theory that you cant have pleasure from it is not true.

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