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Do you buy flowers for Shabbos? Every Shabbos or only on occasions?
When I first got married, I was makpid to buy flowers every shabbos – nothing extravagant, just something tasteful. As time went on I stopped buying them so often and last week I realized that I had not bought any for nearly six months! I immediately ran out only an hour before shabbos to pick something up. With God’s help, I will make sure to buy a small arrangement each week, and perhaps something a bit more special for shabbos mevorchim.
Every Erev Yom Tov, our Anniversary and for my wife’s birthday. Never for Shabbos though.
flowers is a matter of taste, if you like it, you love it and you’ll buy it every week, and if you hate it, then you’ll never buy it. ok maybe just for shavous.(i should add)
Deiyez- Is there anyone who actually hates flowers?
Dear smartcookie, there actually are people like that. They believe flowers are messy and wasteful (assuming it is a nice arrangement what else would you pay twenty bucks or more for just to throw out in a day or two)personally, i do try to buy flowers erev shabbos nothing expensive though. I also have seen this inyan in seforim.
An anthophobic
I love flowers, our vase just broke. so until i get out and get another one, no flowers for me!
There is a midrash somewhere (cant think offhand where) that says that flowers were created specifically to adorn Jews’ shabbos tables
I LOVE flowers!! when I used to walk up to Ave. J or be around Maimonides Hospital I’d buy flowers (a bunch of beauties for $3-$5-$7)erev Shabbos. now I don’t, but my children give me gorgeous bouquets for Yom Tovim, & my birthday.
my husband, OTOH, buys me treats for Shabbos: GRIEVEN or CHOPPED LIVER!!! they’re ‘treats’ cuz I have high blood pressure & high cholesterol (both under control w/ meds). thanks, lovey, but I sure would love some flowers for the Shabbos table once in a while, too!! 😉
Do you buy flowers for Shabbos? Every Shabbos or only on occasions?
Costs too much. I have to pay tuition. Buying flowers and paying less tuition would be (IMHO) Gezaila.
I’m with GAW.
During the summer, we snip some hydrangeas from our backyard plants.
Not every erev Shabbos. I might if the budget allowed for it (besides the fact that Eeees likes them, I also get to take pictures of them). As it is, it’s usually every other or every third week.
The Wolf
Wolf- you do know that for anything you buy Lkovod Shabbos, Hashem pays you back double…
Wolf- you do know that for anything you buy Lkovod Shabbos, Hashem pays you back double…
That’s nice… but it doesn’t always put the money in my pocket ahead of time — which is when I need it to buy the flowers.
And, besides, you can also argue that since the flowers aren’t *purely* l’kavod Shabbos (they also serve as an expression of gratitude and love towards Eeees AND as photographic subjects), they might not be reimbursed double or even at all.
The Wolf
If its bought Lkovod Shabbos I cant say anything.. but I know people who r super makpid to buy it for ther wives every week- for shalom bayis I guess.. and Im all for buying ur wife stuff, and I love flowers but I just think its sooo wastefull, and expensive for every single week.. I would so much rather get a mopped floor every week, a laundry basket folded.. or better yet, Id rather get a 15 dollar gift certificate every week! 🙂 Or put the money aside n buy me a huge piece of bling I could wear lkovod Shabbos.. 🙂
smartcookie, then pay full tuition first and don’t worry about your food bill.
Wolf- you do know that for anything you buy Lkovod Shabbos, Hashem pays you back double…
So if I buy Prime Rib for Shabbos, Hashem will pay me back double?
How about an Armani Suit?
No wonder why we are seeing more designer clothing. It because the buyers expect to make a profit on the purchase!
cookie – I never heard about the double part.
Here in EY you can get a nice bouquet for 10 shekel. Or a single rose for 2 shekel. So yes my husband buys flowers every Shabbos.
My husband buys me one rose every Shabbos. I really look forward for it. It means so much to me! Every week another color. Nowadays, they make really nice and interesting colors!!!!
RB- I think there’s a posuk about it. But it’s only things Lkovod Shabbos that I get paid back for. An armani suit is more Lkovod your own pride!
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smartcookie: As are most things, including flowers. Unless you can tell me that you get no Hanaha from them, and buying flowers purely for the sake of Shabbos?
As per your Pasuk, I think you are getting confused with giving tzedaka, where it says Aser Bishvil SheT’sasher, or give so that you shall become rich.
An armani suit is more Lkovod your own pride!
And, as I explained above, the flowers are not strictly for Shabbos. They also serve as love notices for Eeees and as subjects for photography.
(Shameless plug: This shot was one of our “Shabbos flowers”
https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/1AQThfnDO8sKYweZGAXffQ?feat=directlink )
The Wolf
Flowers? are purely to make a beautiful shabbos table. It makes me feel good because my house looks calm and shabbosdig. That’s called Hanaoh Lkovod Shabbos. An armani suit is more for others to see how beautiful you look.
Can’t really explain it, but there’s a huge difference between the two.
(And btw, we do wear special beautiful Shabbos clothes. But the Shabbos doesn’t really care if your suit cost $50 or $500!)
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Flowers? are purely to make a beautiful shabbos table.
Not necessarily. I’ve explained above that I have other intentions (in addition to Shabbos) when I purchase flowers. At least in my case (and my case is the only one that matters for this discussion since it began when you took me to task for refusing to spend money I don’t have), it not *purely* to make a beautiful Shabbos table.
The Wolf
So guys, you heard it hear first, and straight from the wolf’s mouth. Wolf’s intentions are not pure.
So there you go Wolf- everyone has different things that make their Shabbos more beautiful. For me flowers are for Kvod Shabbos only.
Wolf; that is a magnificent shot!
the flowers aren’t *purely* l’kavod Shabbos
Although I have no source, I think that if you would have bought the flowers even if Shabbos was the only consideration, you’ll get reimbursed.
I buy mine in a store which takes a credit card. 🙂
So guys, you heard it hear first, and straight from the wolf’s mouth. Wolf’s intentions are not pure.
I never made any claims to purity. On the contrary, I may well be the most impure person on the face of the earth.
The Wolf
So there you go Wolf- everyone has different things that make their Shabbos more beautiful. For me flowers are for Kvod Shabbos only.
And that’s fine if that works for you.
Now that you concede my flowers aren’t solely for Shabbos, do you retract your criticism of me for not buying them every week?
The Wolf
On the contrary, I may well be the most impure person on the face of the earth.
Since when is “impure” synonymous with “self-effacing”?
Wolf no way did I criticize you. If you do what’s good for you, then it’s also good for me!
You just mentioned money so I said that you will get repaid!
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Wolf who said it has to be bought purely for lkavod shabbos? Food for example as much as it is bought lkavod shabbos, you are still getting your own pleasure.
Wolf no way did I criticize you.
My apologies. It sounded (to me) like you were taking me to task for not buying flowers every week because of financial considerations. My apologies if that was not your intent.
The Wolf
Wolf who said it has to be bought purely for lkavod shabbos? Food for example as much as it is bought lkavod shabbos, you are still getting your own pleasure.
That’s a very good question. However, it could be argued that (a) food is required for Shabbos, flowers are not; (b) for all practical purposes, one cannot eat without having pleasure from it or, conversely, the purpose of eating food on Shabbos *is* to have pleasure from it — and since it will be done on Shabbos, that makes it for Shabbos. Flowers, when bought with other purposes in mind, does not meet that criteria.
The Wolf
Since when is “impure” synonymous with “self-effacing”?
One has nothing to do with the other. The most impure person could be self-effacing or not, as can be the purest person.
The Wolf
Wolf- neither to I buy flowers every Shabbos. Only sometimes!
(Maybe I should start…)
One has nothing to do with the other. The most impure person could be self-effacing or not, as can be the purest person.
My suspicion is that your calling yourself the most impure person on the face of the earth is merely being self-effacing.
My suspicion is that your calling yourself the most impure person on the face of the earth is merely being self-effacing.
You’re entitled to your opinion. I’m entitled to my opinion that I think you’re wrong on this.
The Wolf
You’re entitled to your opinion. I’m entitled to my opinion that I think you’re wrong on this.
Then we’ll have to agree to disagree. 🙂
Good Shabbos!
Wolf I do not undesrtand your logic.
Wolf I do not undesrtand your logic.
Food is, if I may coin a term “ee efshar d’lo m’hani.” You cannot eat food without having very real physical benefit from it. Flowers, on the hand, are not in that category. One can buy flowers solely for the aesthetics of it and for the beauty of Shabbos.
The Wolf
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You can choose to ignore the flowers or just not pay attention to them. You can even move them off the table and put them on a shelf somewhere else. If you’re not close to them, you can avoid the smell (for most flowers).
You cannot ignore the taste of food as you’re eating it. You cannot avoid the satisfaction of having your hunger sated after having eaten.
The Wolf
Wolf – You can eat horribly tasting food that your are garunteed not to have hanah from. And besides I think the whole kovod shabbos is that you *DO* have hanah from the food or the flowers. What good is the flowers if you don’t appreciate it. There would be no purpose in buying flowers lkavod shabbos if you wont be home, right? So I think your whole theory that you cant have pleasure from it is not true.
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