July 22, 2012 4:38 am at 4:38 am #604221ymhtb1Member
Just heard a new halacha. it is assur to flush a toilet on shabbos because you are sending water, tissues, …. from reshus hayachid into reshus harabim.
Please share your thoughts.July 22, 2012 4:51 am at 4:51 am #886474147Participant
Then according to your line of thinking, don’t open your water faucet, because you are bringing in water from a Reshus hoRabim to a Reshus haYochid, and when water & crumbs goes down your sink drain, it will go back to a Reshus hoRabim.
Fortunately, I have learned tractate Shabbos, and IY’H look forward to recommencing tractate Shabbos on Chamishi shel Sukkos courtesy of Ushpizin Moshe when 13th cycle commences tractate Shabbos, and when you shall be learning tractate Shabbos on the 13th cycle, you shall soon become acquainted with the fact, that below a certain level under the ground, where your water pipes run, there is no such thing as a Reshus hoRabbim.July 22, 2012 4:54 am at 4:54 am #886475R.T.Participant
The question has been around for a couple of decades already. I don’t think underground plumbing is considered reshus harabim or even a carmelit. As for tissues, well — that souldn’t be flushed down any day of the week.July 22, 2012 4:57 am at 4:57 am #886476rabbiofberlinParticipant
Totally wrong- the pipes are not reshus horabbim by any stretch- they are- at most- a mokom petur and hence the person who told you this “minhag” should look into more carefully.July 22, 2012 5:03 am at 5:03 am #886477
What about the fact that it’s assur to wash the floor on Shabbos, and the toilet, being m’chubar l’karka (attached to the ground) is considered part of the floor?July 22, 2012 5:15 am at 5:15 am #886478ymhtb1Member
Well 147 its not my line of thinking. As i said in my op i heard this Halcha, meaning i heard it from someone else.
Believe me i do not hold from it and was just curios on what other people had to say about it.July 22, 2012 5:41 am at 5:41 am #886479Sam2Participant
The only Issurim you can come up with in this case are at most D’rabannan (and I’ve heard some decent S’varos Le’esor) and Gadol Kavod Habriyos Shedoche…July 22, 2012 6:15 am at 6:15 am #886480
I’ve heard some decent S’varos Le’esor
What have you heard?July 22, 2012 7:46 am at 7:46 am #886481YW Moderator-42Moderator
Can one use a plunger on Shabbos?July 22, 2012 10:43 am at 10:43 am #886482more_2Member
Why not?July 22, 2012 10:44 am at 10:44 am #886483more_2Member
What melacha are you doing by using a plunger?July 22, 2012 11:03 am at 11:03 am #886484lesschumrasParticipant
I can’t believe this subject warrants serious discussion. If ever anything qualifed for less chumras, this is itJuly 22, 2012 12:35 pm at 12:35 pm #886485147Participant
Shemiras Shabbos KeHilchoso:- Chapter 23 Paragraph 11:- Yes:- Plungers can be utilized on Shabbos when there is an important need to do so.July 22, 2012 1:03 pm at 1:03 pm #886486
Machlokes haposkim, if it’s not badly stuffed. A severely stuffed toilet is assur even according to the meikilim.July 22, 2012 1:20 pm at 1:20 pm #886487abba_murray_bar_popaParticipant
If R Akiva Eigers tshuva wasnt good enough for you then i dont know how to help you all. Enjoy your boich svarosJuly 22, 2012 2:56 pm at 2:56 pm #886488shlishiMember
DaasYochid: What is a person with one toilet that is severely oversytuffed early on Shabbos to do?
abba: What does Rav Akiva Eiger say?July 22, 2012 10:48 pm at 10:48 pm #886489oomisParticipant
Who would use a plunger on Shabbos when it WASN’T important to do so? Please, people! A bissel seichel.July 22, 2012 10:53 pm at 10:53 pm #886490shlishiMember
oomis: DaasYochid cited that specifically when the toilet was severely stuffed, that it is assur to plunge.July 22, 2012 11:01 pm at 11:01 pm #886491
What is a person with one toilet that is severely oversytuffed early on Shabbos to do?
I assume it would be muttar to ask a non-Jew.July 22, 2012 11:04 pm at 11:04 pm #886492
Who would use a plunger on Shabbos when it WASN’T important to do so? Please, people! A bissel seichel.
I’m not sure what you mean.
There is a machlokes whether plunging a toilet which is only mildly stuffed is muttar or assur on Shabbos. Most rabbonim would probably tell you that if there is another toilet available, don’t plunge it, but if there is only one available, one can rely on the lenient opinion.July 23, 2012 4:33 am at 4:33 am #886493pcozMember
One of the points of discussion when the Mir was on the trans-Siberia train to Shanghai for 3 weeks was if you could flush the toilet on shabbos, but that is different becuase the waste goes straight on to the track
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