April 21, 2017 12:27 am at 12:27 am #1258558LightbriteParticipant
Would you say a shechiyanu before or after lift off?April 21, 2017 1:24 am at 1:24 am #1258572
Shehechiyanu I think is said when buying.
The issue I think is tefillas haderech. Because it really should be said standing (I think), and when not doing anything. So lchatchila you should first wait for lift off, then get out and say tefillas haderech, get back in, and continue….April 21, 2017 2:06 am at 2:06 am #1258583JosephParticipant
Or a driverless car.April 21, 2017 10:25 am at 10:25 am #1258686
LF: Do you stand to say tefilas haderech on an airplane? Rabbi Belsky TZATZAL paskened that the proper time to say tefilas haderech on an airplane is when it is taxiing down the runway for takeoff. At that time passengers are seated. So Why should a flying car be different?April 21, 2017 10:39 am at 10:39 am #1258698
Actually the precise time to say it on a plane would be when co-pilot calls out “rotate”. That’s the “point of no return”. Which would be the exact time to say Tefillas Haderech.
I was just writing for “lchatchila”. Lchatchila it should be said standing. And a pilot (or driver) should be doing nothing.April 21, 2017 1:30 pm at 1:30 pm #1258778
LF: And when do the passengers know when the co-pilot says “rotate”? I think I’ll rely on Rabbi Belsky’s psak.April 21, 2017 2:13 pm at 2:13 pm #1258790
Oh! I though you were in the cockpit….
as an aside… something really funny happened to me one time.. I took a plane out with an experienced instructor.. He was in the student’s seat, I was in the main.. Anyways.. he’s going through the pre-flight check.. check this.. check that. Then, “where’s the x?” (forgot what it was.. many years ago).. and he’s searching for it all around!!! (mind you – he’s an instructor!) I timidly pointed to it.. Oh!
Another time I went with another one. He did the landing, and as he’s coming in I hear a whistle… “what’s that?”, Oh it’s nothing… (actually it was the stall warning.. not dangerous at that phase, but shouldn’t have been…)April 21, 2017 4:37 pm at 4:37 pm #1258814–Participant
… when co-pilot calls out “rotate”. That’s the “point of no return”.
Rotate (or Vr) is defined as “The speed at which the pilot begins to apply control inputs to cause the aircraft nose to pitch up, after which it will leave the ground.” I think what you really meant is V1 which is defined as “The speed beyond which the takeoff should no longer be aborted.”
Point of no Return, or the proper term “Point of Safe Return” is a completely different concept.
What happened to my signature line?April 22, 2017 9:43 pm at 9:43 pm #1258882Lilmod UlelamaidParticipant
I have never heard that tefilas haderech should be said standing. I’m not saying it’s not true, but I never heard of that before and I’ve never seen it done that way. What is the source for that?
I have occasionally seen people pull over and stop the car to say tefilas haderech (although even that, I have rarely seen), but I never saw them stand.
In any case, when people fly somewhere, don’t they usually have to travel to get to the airport first, so shouldn’t tefilas haderech be said on the way to the airport?April 23, 2017 12:09 am at 12:09 am #1258919
LU: The Mechaber states it is a preference to stand when possible (See Mishna Berurah Siman Kuf Yud Sif Daled):
As for travelling to the airport, it depends where one lives. Most people in NYC / 5 Towns do not recite tefillas haderech going to JFK or LGA.
And even if someone does say tefillas haderech to the airport, their is a special tfila printed in some siddurim/tehillim specifically for SEFINAS HA’AVIR (airplanes).
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