March 21, 2023 12:44 pm at 12:44 pm #2175374
My son wants to take a trip to Israel this year with me for a week, I haven’t been there for close to 20 years and I only flew El Al and israir does anyone have any tips if we don’t fly el al? Will delta have a minyan or n the plane? How do kosher meals work on those flights? Any other tips that I need to know?March 21, 2023 12:48 pm at 12:48 pm #2175471YW Moderator-33Moderator
BumpMarch 21, 2023 3:41 pm at 3:41 pm #2175511jdbParticipant
Most airlines will not have a minyan. Many rabbanim will tell you not to daven with plane minyanim for a number of reasons. Ask a Shayla before making this a reason to choose the airline.
Welcome home.March 21, 2023 3:43 pm at 3:43 pm #2175514
Not a huge flyer but I went twice this year
El Al had a minyan delta didn’t
You can’t daven facing a not tznius woman. Which was definitely a problem even on el Al. So it would be better to daven not with a minyan than in a minyan where you need to face women
Go to MyZmanim . They will give you the exact sunrise times for your flight, so that if need be you can daven in your seat at netz. Which on the nighttime flights are usually around 3 1/2 to 4 hours after takeoff..March 21, 2023 3:46 pm at 3:46 pm #2175516n0mesorahParticipant
Chashuv! Bumped by a Mod!March 21, 2023 3:46 pm at 3:46 pm #2175518
Thanks 33March 21, 2023 3:47 pm at 3:47 pm #2175520Todros GimpelParticipant
Other airlines are very similar in terms of Kosher meals etc. (you need to reserve them in advance.
Otherwise on other airlines such as United and Delta, you often will have extra leg room and nicer staff.
One note, Delta has been known to be very “square” about everything.March 21, 2023 3:47 pm at 3:47 pm #2175524
Fly Play to Iceland then Wizz to Krakow then Ryanair to Tel AvivMarch 21, 2023 3:48 pm at 3:48 pm #2175526refoelzeevParticipant
I’m not sure I understand the question. You don’t fly El Al, when it’s been 20 years since you last did? Where’d that policy come from? Kosher meals are like on any other flight, why would it be different?March 21, 2023 4:52 pm at 4:52 pm #2175558
CA, how old is your son?March 21, 2023 5:01 pm at 5:01 pm #2175581
Yeah the delta flights are during the day so really the only problem is maariv and the next shachris (would get in at 9:15 in the morningMarch 21, 2023 5:01 pm at 5:01 pm #2175584
You should know from previous postsMarch 21, 2023 6:08 pm at 6:08 pm #2175591takahmamashParticipant
“Fly Play to Iceland then Wizz to Krakow then Ryanair to Tel Aviv”
Why on earth would you fly with two stops? The OP says the trip is for a week; why would you waste all that time travelling?March 21, 2023 7:17 pm at 7:17 pm #2175625
There is this little thing called money/price
When I flew el al I didn’t pay for it now I have to (and try to keep the trip at minimum costMarch 21, 2023 7:24 pm at 7:24 pm #2175619Desperate to understandParticipant
Mentch1: I think the aruch hashilchon has a heter on your issueMarch 21, 2023 7:39 pm at 7:39 pm #2175643
You think wrongMarch 21, 2023 7:40 pm at 7:40 pm #2175644
Royal Jordanian is very good. It is completely safe. Jordan is the most stable country in the middle east. It is very professional and comfortable. The stopover in Amman airport is a real pleasure. The flight to Ben Gurion is 20 minutes, and you get to view the entire Eretz Yisrael in full observationMarch 21, 2023 7:40 pm at 7:40 pm #2175645
Swiss airlines is also very good. Free beer as much as you wantMarch 21, 2023 8:44 pm at 8:44 pm #2175652
cheap flightsMarch 21, 2023 9:37 pm at 9:37 pm #2175650
I am not aware of a heter to daven facing an ervah
I’m pretty sure it’s a bracha levatala
Even the flight attendants can be an issue (skirt length)
The eitzah is daven facing the wall.
El Al is more understanding . But the will isn’t always there . Not everyone wants to wake up 4 hours after takeoff.
I am the proactive type. So I put on my talis and walk over to the bulkhead doors and start davening. It’s usually enough to get others moving and join me. But I will always daven netz rather than assume a minyan will form later.March 21, 2023 10:02 pm at 10:02 pm #2175662
I hear that Turkish Airlines is quite popular.March 21, 2023 10:03 pm at 10:03 pm #2175665BaltimoreMavenParticipant
United United United!!! Their fresco kosher meals are amazing. They are the only airline that never stopped flying during covid. They fly 2 daily nonstop from Newark and allow minyan.March 22, 2023 12:17 am at 12:17 am #2175674
I am planning on going in july with 2 teenage sons. Looking for cheap flights, Any ideas?
Also want to stay in Meah Shearim area for cheap. Any ideas?March 22, 2023 1:41 am at 1:41 am #2175684SQUARE_ROOTParticipant
Rabbi Shlomoh Zalman Auerbach said this in Halichos Shlomoh, 1:95-96:
“It is better to pray Shemoneh Esrai sitting down than to stand in the aisle of an airplane, both because of concentration and consideration of others.”
FOUND IN: Relevance Pirkei Avot (page 107) by Rabbi Dan Roth, year 2007 CE, Feldheim PublishersMarch 22, 2023 5:45 am at 5:45 am #2175693
@ujm Turkish airlines is very good, but Istanbul airport is a complete wreck. It is the worst airport I’ve been to, and it’s extremely chaotic. There’s absolutely no order. And Turkey is not a good country to spend time in jail. They can arrest anyone on a whimMarch 22, 2023 5:45 am at 5:45 am #2175694
I don’t remember which airline that let me daven by myself in privacy. It definitely wasn’t el al. Also, never ever fly Iberian airlinesMarch 22, 2023 8:40 am at 8:40 am #2175761
Ditto for United. I flew over last week with my grandson who was running in the Jerusalem marathon and came back on Sunday. Seats in the Premium economy were comfortable but still affordable. (You need to take a second mortgage for first class and upgrades never seem to be available) United staff were courteous but firm on enforcing the carryon rules (especially with regard to the usual nutcases trying to squeeze a steamer trunk in the overhead bins). Food was actually good for airline food. Most importantly, flights left nearly on time.March 22, 2023 1:53 pm at 1:53 pm #2175825
Any ideas for a place to stay for father and 2 bachurim for 2 weeks in chodesh av. Looking for Meah Shearim/Mir area. The cheaper the better. No frills needed.March 22, 2023 3:01 pm at 3:01 pm #2175899
I don’t know about cheap but it depends on your needs
Personally I prefer apartments (and I eat out)
reservekosher.com the kitchen is kosher. They have a great apartment above kikar shabbos but I think only 1 bedroom (there are others to choose from)
I’ve stayed at isrentals on Monbaz street. It’s an apartment building with 1 and 2 bedroom apartments (and parking) it’s right off haneviim and a 7 minute walk to meah shaarim. (You can book on Expedia)
I’ve also stayed at other buildings in that area booked through AirbnbMarch 22, 2023 3:01 pm at 3:01 pm #2175898
@ amer, a tent is the cheapest, shower at the local mikva.March 22, 2023 9:06 pm at 9:06 pm #2176070
Why are you joking? I’m looking for a low cost trip too
If money isn’t a problem for you you can send it to meMarch 22, 2023 9:08 pm at 9:08 pm #2176115
Having never flown first class (and not missing it either) I am curious what justifies such a significant cost to spend several hours in? Anyone have thoughts?March 22, 2023 11:40 pm at 11:40 pm #2176122
StatusMarch 22, 2023 11:41 pm at 11:41 pm #2176123
In rare agreement with R’ Yosef. I’ve flown up front on several 12/13 hr flights to Japan and Dubai and the obscene prices (which clients paid) were not worth it if I had to pay out of pocket. I don’t drink alcohol on long flights and have a hard time sleeping on the “flat beds” which they promote as a key feature. You also get the same “kosher” meals wrapped in plastic while watching the sushi and filet mignon served to the guy sitting next to you. The ONLY real advantage for me is that its a bit quieter in First, less likely to have a screaming baby sitting next you, and shorter lines (if any) for the Lav. I’m a big fan of the premium economy, where I purchase regular economy and use my upgrades to get a wider seat on the aisle. Sometimes, when flying off-season you can get upgraded to business but those upgrades seem very rare these days.March 22, 2023 11:41 pm at 11:41 pm #2176128GadolHadofiParticipant
How do you usually travel to Israel?March 22, 2023 11:43 pm at 11:43 pm #2176131
Thank you.March 22, 2023 11:43 pm at 11:43 pm #2176133
You are looking at this the wrong way
There are many tzaddikim willing to part with their hard earned money so they can do mitzvos
It is much easier to learn and concentrate on tefilla sitting in the isolated pods of business class
Not to mention no issue of sitting next to a woman
I envy their olam haba for making this financial sacrificeMarch 23, 2023 12:28 am at 12:28 am #2176147
Dofi: Generally by Ocean Liners.March 23, 2023 12:29 am at 12:29 am #2176148
That’s the second “rare agreement” you’ve had with me in two days.
I’m starting to detect a trend. I always knew that with enough effort on my part even you’d start coming around.
Winning one heart at a time…March 23, 2023 10:26 am at 10:26 am #2176161Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipant
some companies allow first class if the exec goes directly to a meeting. So, those cheating VPs make sure they have a meeting on the day of arrival …
I never had yetzer hara to follow on that. I just sit in my armchair at home with a cup of wine and contemplate that people are paying huge money for several hours to sit like that.March 23, 2023 10:36 am at 10:36 am #2176279CTLAWYERParticipant
I generally fly first class and have done so for more than 60 years.
I don’t do it for the wines and foods I cannot consume. I have done so for the comfort and quiet and ability to get work done.
In the 80s I flew about a half million miles per year with bi-weekly trips to Europe. I would leave my office here at 5pm, make a 8 pm TWA flight to London or Paris. I would work most of the night preparing for meetings that began at 9am soon after my arrival. I also made a half dozen flights each year to EY, South Africa and Brazil plus an annual flight to Australia.
By the 90s I was flying to China each month. My clients paid these costs but it was important to arrive fresh and ready for business.
That said, I do not like the modern pods that isolate First Class (and business class) travelers from each other. The pods defeat the ability for two of us to work together on a long flight. I really miss the days of an upstairs lounge in early B747s where we could spread papers out on a table and sit facing each other and plan strategies.
Nowadays, if three or more of us from the CTL law firm are flying together on business, we are likely to fly private. It is not much more expensive than first (for our clients) and they are not paying for us yk have to arrive at the airport hours early and pay X hundreds of dollars per hour for non-productive time. It also allows us to fly into smaller airports that may be closer to our destination and that also saves time and money.
If I am working on a 14 hour flight I do not want to be disturbed by children or bumped by people trying to get through the aisle to reach a lavatory or food service carts. Lastly, I need to protect the privacy of my work.
BTW, when I went to Budapest this month for my dental work, I flew premium economy (using miles). I was not doing any work and didn’t need the privacy and space. I flew home in a private jet that belongs to a client. His wife and children had been dropped off in Vienna and it was returning to Teterboro empty.March 23, 2023 11:45 am at 11:45 am #2176316
@coffee addict, there is a difference wanting to cut costs and being unrealistic, if you want to cut costs figure out a cheap way to Europe then fly an ULCC carrier to Israel [ryan, wizz, ez etc.] stay chutz lemachneh and use Egged, to expect a cheap place during high season in the center Jslm. is being very very unrealistic.March 23, 2023 11:49 am at 11:49 am #2176290GadolHadofiParticipant
The immodesty issues are probably much worse on an ocean liner than an airplane. Do you embark and disembark with blinders on, and stay in your cabin the entire time? Do you travel with a minyan and a Sefer Torah or do you forgo those for several weeks?March 23, 2023 1:05 pm at 1:05 pm #2176375
I guess we’re not being clear in what cheap is
No one is saying they want to pay $500 for a round trip ticket that has 3 stops and takes two days to get to Israel then wants a place in a sleazy part of town
Cheap means affordable while only having minor inconvenienceMarch 23, 2023 1:28 pm at 1:28 pm #2176395
Affordable is always defined by how much money you’ve got in the bank. For many people going back-and-forth business every time is affordable.
Anyway, in terms of my post, you will always find renting an apartment more affordable than two hotel rooms
Depending upon the area you want the typical price for an apartment is usually below even one hotel room
Not to mention, you will have a lot more room and depending on the building parking
But like everything else prices have gone up
Before Covid you can probably rent a car in Israel for $25 a day and now it’s more like 75+
But at least the price of gas still stable at about eight dollars a gallonMarch 23, 2023 2:09 pm at 2:09 pm #2176438
@CA, If anyone thinks the can get cheap accommodations in Geula/ Bais Yisrael area at the height of tourist season should stay home and buy the Brooklyn bridge insteadMarch 23, 2023 2:52 pm at 2:52 pm #2176453n0mesorahParticipant
I tried to buy the CR bridge, but I couldn’t get the deal done. Who would sell me the Brooklyn Bridge?March 23, 2023 4:01 pm at 4:01 pm #2176508
Did you read my post?
You used the word cheap, what do you call cheap?March 27, 2023 12:19 pm at 12:19 pm #2177400
This time of year and probably through the summer, the “cheapest” RT El Al flights from JFK/Newark to Tel Aviv will run about $800 to $1,000. You can save about $100-$200 by taking some flights on other carriers with a connection but you have to be crazy to incur the additional time/flight delay risk by making an unnecessary stop.March 27, 2023 2:21 pm at 2:21 pm #2177422
Assuming the anarchists in Israel end their shutdown of Ben Gurion airport; as of now their are no flights into or out of the State of Israel.
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