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September 19, 2014 8:01 pm at 8:01 pm #1045983Patur Aval AssurParticipant
Updated list:
Berachos 8a with Maharsha
Berachos 63b with Rashi
Shabbos 63a with Rashi
Eruvin 48a with Rashi
Kesubos 15a
Sanhedrin 42a with Rashi
Avodah Zara 19a with Rashi
Avodah Zara 19a with Rashi (there are two different gemaras on 19a which I quoted)
Horayos 14a
Shemos Rabba Ki Sisa Parsha 41
Medrash Mishlei 10
Rambam Letter
Piskei Riaz Kiddushin Perek 1 7:8
Shu”t Rivash Siman 271
Shu”t Maharik Siman 169
Orchos Tzadikim Shaar Hatorah
Maharal Tiferes Yisroel Perek 56
Maharal Nesivos Olam Nesiv Hatorah Perek 5
Maharal Chiddushei Aggados Sanhedrin
Maharal Gur Aryeh Parshas Vaeschanan
Maharal Derech Chaim Avos Perek Shishi Ose 7
Maharsha Bava Metzia 85a
Shelah Maseches Shavuos 22, 25-35
Vavei Ha’amudim 5:14
Tzava’ah of the Shelah’s son R’ Sheftel Ose 26
Maadnei Yom Tov Hakdama
Kli Yakar Amudei Shesh Amud Hatorah
Chavos Yair siman 124
Mishnas Chachamim
Yaavetz
Sifsei Yeshanim
Binyan Ariel Parshas Haazinu
Chayei Adam Hakdama Acharona
Pri Megadim
Panim Yafos Genesis 22:1
Even Shlaima 8:2
He’aros ??
Even Shlaima 8:7
Darchei Noam
Shulchan Aruch Harav Hilchos Talmud Torah 2:1
Teshuva Me’ahava Pesicha
Aliyos Eliyahu Ose 77
Toldos Adam Perek 3
Chasam Sofer Chullin 7a
Derashos Chasam Sofer
Pele Yoetz Asupa
Pele Yoetz Girsa
Pele Yoetz Yesod
Ohr Yisrael Iggeres 27
Hamaor
Dor Revii Hakdama
Mishnah Berurah Hakdama
Chofetz Chaim Likutei Amarim perek 4
Chofetz Chaim Likutei Amarim perek 5
Lev Aryeh hakdama
Hachana Deraba Ose 6
Yalkut Hagershoni Chagiga 5a
Eimek Haberacha Ma’amar 4
Shu”t Beis Ridvaz Hakdama (and tzava’a)
Seridei Eish letter
Bihyos Haboker Ose 42
R’ Eliyahu Feinstein
R’ Yehoshua Leib Diskin
R’ Elchanan Wasserman
R’ Baruch Ber Leibowitz
R’ Yaakov Kamenetsky
R’ Moshe Feinstein
Mishnas R’ Aharon Ma’amarim Sha’ar Sheini Siman 10
Shu”t Mishneh Halachos 8:247
Midor Dor Siman 8 Ose 5
Midor Dor Siman 8 Ose 6
R’ Elazar Menacham Man Shach
R’ Berel Soloveitchik
R’ Moshe Chevroni
R’Aharon Yehuda Leib Shteinman
R’ Michel Yehuda Lefkowitz
R’ Yosef Shalom Elyashiv
Shu”t Yabia Omer Hakdama Ose 6
Shu”t Yabia Omer Hakdama Ose 7
Shu”t Yabia Omer Hakdama Ose 9
R’ Moshe Shmuel Shapiro
Shevet Halevi 2:57
R’ Moshe Tzuriel
Iyun B’Lamdut Mavo
September 28, 2014 4:09 am at 4:09 am #1045984Patur Aval AssurParticipantHakdama of the Gra’s sons to Biur Hagra:
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September 28, 2014 4:11 pm at 4:11 pm #1045985Patur Aval AssurParticipant??:
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September 28, 2014 4:41 pm at 4:41 pm #1045986Patur Aval AssurParticipant??:
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September 28, 2014 5:10 pm at 5:10 pm #1045987Patur Aval AssurParticipant??:
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September 28, 2014 5:35 pm at 5:35 pm #1045988Patur Aval AssurParticipantHakdama to Shu”t Tzitz Eliezer:
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Granted he is discussing halacha.
September 29, 2014 12:57 am at 12:57 am #1045989Patur Aval AssurParticipantR’ AYL Shteinman (brought in ???????? ????? p. ??):
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Although in the pages immediately following, he extols the virtues of learning B’iyun, I am not going to quote it, since this is not a thread to promote iyun.
September 30, 2014 6:19 pm at 6:19 pm #1045990Patur Aval AssurParticipantTzava’ah of Rabbeinu Yaakov Ba’al Haturim:
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October 6, 2014 4:02 am at 4:02 am #1045991Patur Aval AssurParticipantThis one is not about Iyun per se, although I think it is still applicable.
Derisha Yoreh Deah 246:
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October 6, 2014 4:06 am at 4:06 am #1045992Patur Aval AssurParticipantAnd quoted by the Shach in Yoreh Deah 246:5:
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October 7, 2014 4:12 pm at 4:12 pm #1045993Patur Aval AssurParticipantChayei Adam Hakdamah Kolleles:
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October 7, 2014 4:21 pm at 4:21 pm #1045994Patur Aval AssurParticipantUpdated list:
Berachos 8a with Maharsha
Berachos 63b with Rashi
Shabbos 63a with Rashi
Eruvin 48a with Rashi
Kesubos 15a
Sanhedrin 42a with Rashi
Avodah Zara 19a with Rashi
Avodah Zara 19a with Rashi (there are two different gemaras on 19a which I quoted)
Horayos 14a
Shemos Rabba Ki Sisa Parsha 41
Medrash Mishlei 10
Rambam Letter
Piskei Riaz Kiddushin Perek 1 7:8
Tzava’ah of Rabbeinu Yaakov Ba’al Haturim
Shu”t Rivash Siman 271
Shu”t Maharik Siman 169
Orchos Tzadikim Shaar Hatorah
Maharal Tiferes Yisroel Perek 56
Maharal Nesivos Olam Nesiv Hatorah Perek 5
Maharal Chiddushei Aggados Sanhedrin
Maharal Gur Aryeh Parshas Vaeschanan
Maharal Derech Chaim Avos Perek Shishi Ose 7
Maharsha Bava Metzia 85a
Shelah Maseches Shavuos 22, 25-35
Vavei Ha’amudim 5:14
Tzava’ah of the Shelah’s son R’ Sheftel Ose 26
Derisha Yoreh Deah 246
Maadnei Yom Tov Hakdama
Kli Yakar Amudei Shesh Amud Hatorah
Shach Yoreh Deah 246:5
Chavos Yair siman 124
Mishnas Chachamim
Yaavetz
Sifsei Yeshanim
Binyan Ariel Parshas Haazinu
Chayei Adam Hakdama Acharona
Chayei Adam Hakdamah Kolleles
Pri Megadim
Panim Yafos Genesis 22:1
Even Shlaima 8:2
He’aros ??
Even Shlaima 8:7
Hakdama of the Gra’s sons to Biur Hagra
Darchei Noam
Shulchan Aruch Harav Hilchos Talmud Torah 2:1
Teshuva Me’ahava Pesicha
Aliyos Eliyahu Ose 77
Toldos Adam Perek 3
Chasam Sofer Chullin 7a
Derashos Chasam Sofer
Pele Yoetz Asupa
Pele Yoetz Girsa
Pele Yoetz Yesod
Ohr Yisrael Iggeres 27
Hamaor
Dor Revii Hakdama
Mishnah Berurah Hakdama
Chofetz Chaim Likutei Amarim perek 4
Chofetz Chaim Likutei Amarim perek 5
Lev Aryeh hakdama
Hachana Deraba Ose 6
Yalkut Hagershoni Chagiga 5a
Eimek Haberacha Ma’amar 4
Shu”t Beis Ridvaz Hakdama (and tzava’a)
Seridei Eish letter
Bihyos Haboker Ose 42
R’ Eliyahu Feinstein
R’ Yehoshua Leib Diskin
R’ Elchanan Wasserman
R’ Baruch Ber Leibowitz
R’ Yaakov Kamenetsky
R’ Moshe Feinstein
Mishnas R’ Aharon Ma’amarim Sha’ar Sheini Siman 10
Shu”t Tzitz Eliezer Hakdama
Shu”t Mishneh Halachos 8:247
Midor Dor Siman 8 Ose 5
Midor Dor Siman 8 Ose 6
R’ Elazar Menacham Man Shach
R’ Berel Soloveitchik
R’ Moshe Chevroni
R’Aharon Yehuda Leib Shteinman Leading With Love p.81/Orchosecha Lamdeini p. 69 (It’s the same letter, one in English and one in Hebrew)
R’ Michel Yehuda Lefkowitz
R’ Yosef Shalom Elyashiv
Shu”t Yabia Omer Hakdama Ose 6
Shu”t Yabia Omer Hakdama Ose 7
Shu”t Yabia Omer Hakdama Ose 9
R’ Moshe Shmuel Shapiro
Shevet Halevi 2:57
R’ Moshe Tzuriel
Iyun B’Lamdut Mavo
October 7, 2014 5:12 pm at 5:12 pm #1045995secretagentyidMemberPretty good list. Nice going. BTW, how do you find all of these?
October 7, 2014 6:02 pm at 6:02 pm #1045996Patur Aval AssurParticipantSome of them I stam came across in my journey through the corpus of Talmudic/Rabbinic literature. A few of them were pointed out to me by people. Many of them I found while specifically researching this inyan.
For example, I found the following source accidentally. I was reading someone’s Doctoral Dissertation and he quoted this sefer and the part he was quoting just happened to be on the same page as this:
R’ Matisyahu Strashun (son of the Rashash) Mivchar Kesavim p. 168:
????? ??????? ????”? ???? ????? ??’ ?????? ?????? ?? ???? ???? ?”? ??’ ????? ????? ????? ????? ???? ???? ?????? ????? ??? ???? ???? ????? (???? ????????) ?? ??? ???? ??? ??? ??? ???? ???”? ??? ???? ???? ?? ?? ????? ??????? ????? ??? ?? ???????? ??????? ?? ??? ????? ??? ????? ??? ???? ???? ???? ????? ?????”? ?”? ???? ???????? ??? ??”? It goes on, but I’m not going to bother typing it out since it’s mostly just sources that I’ve already quoted.
October 30, 2014 11:43 pm at 11:43 pm #1045997Patur Aval AssurParticipantRashi Chulin 81a:
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October 31, 2014 12:35 am at 12:35 am #1045999Patur Aval AssurParticipantMivchar Kesavim p. 186:
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November 2, 2014 2:12 am at 2:12 am #1046000Patur Aval AssurParticipantIgros Moshe Yoreh Deiah 3:87:
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Interesting fact:
This teshuvah is addressed to the author of the pamphlet which I quoted R’ Moshe’s haskama to, earlier in this thread.
November 5, 2014 4:54 pm at 4:54 pm #1046001Patur Aval AssurParticipantIgros Moshe Yoreh Deiah 2:110:
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Also in this teshuvah:
??”? ???”? ????? ??????? ????? ?? ????? ?????? ?? ??? ???? ?????? ?? ?”? ????? ??? ??? ??????? ???? ???? ??? ???? ???? ????? ????? ?? ????? ???? ???? ????? ?? ??? ???? ???? ???? ???? ??? ?? ???? ???? ???? ????? ????’ ?’ ???? ????? ?”? ?”? ???? ?? ?? ???? ?’ ?????? ??? ?”? ????? ??? ??? ?????? ??? ?????? ????? ?? ??? ?????? ?”? ?????? ?????? ????? ????? ????? ?????? ???? ??? ?? ??? ???? ?? ???? ?? ???? ??? ???? ??? ???? ?? ????? ??????? ???? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ????? ???”? ?????? ????? ??? ?? ????? ????? ??? ?”? ????? ?? ??? ??? ???? ??”? ?? ?? ????? ??? ???? ??? ????? ??? ???? ??? ???? ???? ???? ???? ??”? ????? ????? ???? ?????? ??? ?????? ??? ??? ????? ?”? ??? ????? ?? ??”? ??? ?’ ????? ????? ?”? ??”? ????? ????? ???? ???? ??? ??? ??”? ?? ?”? ??”? ???? ???? ?? ???? ???? ???? ???? ???? ??????? ????? ??? ?? ????? ?”? ???? ??? ??? ????? ???? ???? ???? ??? ??? ????? ?? ????? ??? ??? ????? ???? ???? ???? ????? ????? ?? ????? ???? ??? ?? ??? ??? ???? ????? ??”? ?”? ???? ??? ???? ???? ???? ???? ??????? ???? ??? ???? ????? ?? ?? ??? ?????? ?? ????? ???? ???? ????? ???? ???? ???? ??? ???? ??? ?? ???? ???? ?”? ???? ??? ???? ????? ?????? ??????? ??????? ??? ???? ???? ????? ???? ?? ???? ????? ????? ?????? ?????? ?? ???”? ?? ?”? ????? ?? ???? ??? ?? ???? ???? ?????? ???? ????? ????? ?? ?????? ??? ??? ??????? ???? ??? ???? ????? ????? ?? ????? ????
??? ????? ????”? ?”? ??”? ?”? ???? ?? ????? ???? ????? ???? ?? ??? ???? ????? ??? ????? ????? ??? ??? ??? ????? ?????? ??? ???? ??? ???? ???? ????? ?? ????? ??? ?? ????? ?? ????? ??? ????? ???? ????? ?????? ????? ?? ??? ??? ?? ?? ???? ??? ???? ?????? ??? ??? ???? ??? ??? ?? ?? ?? ??? ????? ????? ?? ??? ???? ??? ??? ???? ????? ????? ?????? ??? ???? ????? ?? ????? ???? ?? ?? ???? ??? ?? ????? ?????? ????? ??? ??? ??? ??? ????
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November 5, 2014 9:45 pm at 9:45 pm #1046002secretagentyidMemberThe other day I had a minor rant on this subject to one of my rebbeim, a man whom I hold in the greatest respect. My point was that since i have learnt a mesechta relatively well(which I am currently chazering) I was able to notice a stirah in 2 tosfosim 39 daf apart, which was not helpfully pointed out by the meaoras hashas. His responce–“When I was your age(3rd year bochur) I would argue about this with people, then I realized that it is so poshut, if they don’t understand it, nothing I say can help them”
This is a man who I have seen literally knows tamach baal peh, who learnt shas down to halocha lemaaseh over eighteen years, while finishing it a further four times during that time in a different seder. It made me wonder what would have happened if th other people had convinced him. I know he has had a greater impact on my life than almost any other single person. So on that note, rock on PAA. Let those blind to pshat, those who think you krum, say what they wish. At least one person here seriously appreciates this thread.
November 6, 2014 4:03 am at 4:03 am #1046003Patur Aval AssurParticipantThank you.
November 6, 2014 4:10 am at 4:10 am #1046004Patur Aval AssurParticipantUpdated list:
Berachos 8a with Maharsha
Berachos 63b with Rashi
Shabbos 63a with Rashi
Eruvin 48a with Rashi
Kesubos 15a
Sanhedrin 42a with Rashi
Avodah Zara 19a with Rashi
Avodah Zara 19a with Rashi (there are two different gemaras on 19a which I quoted)
Horayos 14a
Shemos Rabba Ki Sisa Parsha 41
Medrash Mishlei 10
Rashi Chulin 81a
Rambam Letter
Piskei Riaz Kiddushin Perek 1 7:8
Tzava’ah of Rabbeinu Yaakov Ba’al Haturim
Shu”t Rivash Siman 271
Shu”t Maharik Siman 169
Orchos Tzadikim Shaar Hatorah
Maharal Tiferes Yisroel Perek 56
Maharal Nesivos Olam Nesiv Hatorah Perek 5
Maharal Chiddushei Aggados Sanhedrin
Maharal Gur Aryeh Parshas Vaeschanan
Maharal Derech Chaim Avos Perek Shishi Ose 7
Maharsha Bava Metzia 85a
Shelah Maseches Shavuos 22, 25-35
Vavei Ha’amudim 5:14
Tzava’ah of the Shelah’s son R’ Sheftel Ose 26
Derisha Yoreh Deah 246
Maadnei Yom Tov Hakdama
Kli Yakar Amudei Shesh Amud Hatorah
Shach Yoreh Deah 246:5
Chavos Yair siman 124
Mishnas Chachamim
Yaavetz
Sifsei Yeshanim
Binyan Ariel Parshas Haazinu
Chayei Adam Hakdama Acharona
Chayei Adam Hakdamah Kolleles
Pri Megadim
Panim Yafos Genesis 22:1
Even Shlaima 8:2
He’aros ??
Even Shlaima 8:7
Hakdama of the Gra’s sons to Biur Hagra
Darchei Noam
Shulchan Aruch Harav Hilchos Talmud Torah 2:1
Teshuva Me’ahava Pesicha
Aliyos Eliyahu Ose 77
Toldos Adam Perek 3
Chasam Sofer Chullin 7a
Derashos Chasam Sofer
Pele Yoetz Asupa
Pele Yoetz Girsa
Pele Yoetz Yesod
Ohr Yisrael Iggeres 27
Mivchar Kesavim p. 168
Mivchar Kesavim p. 186
Hamaor
Dor Revii Hakdama
Mishnah Berurah Hakdama
Chofetz Chaim Likutei Amarim perek 4
Chofetz Chaim Likutei Amarim perek 5
Lev Aryeh hakdama
Hachana Deraba Ose 6
Yalkut Hagershoni Chagiga 5a
Eimek Haberacha Ma’amar 4
Shu”t Beis Ridvaz Hakdama (and tzava’a)
Seridei Eish letter
Bihyos Haboker Ose 42
R’ Eliyahu Feinstein
R’ Yehoshua Leib Diskin
R’ Elchanan Wasserman
R’ Baruch Ber Leibowitz
R’ Yaakov Kamenetzky
R’ Moshe Feinstein/R’ Yaakov Kamenetzky Haskama to TenuKavodLatorah
Igros Moshe Yoreh Deiah 2:110
Igros Moshe Yoreh Deiah 3:87
Mishnas R’ Aharon Ma’amarim Sha’ar Sheini Siman 10
Shu”t Tzitz Eliezer Hakdama
Shu”t Mishneh Halachos 8:247
Midor Dor Siman 8 Ose 5
Midor Dor Siman 8 Ose 6
R’ Elazar Menacham Man Shach
R’ Berel Soloveitchik
R’ Moshe Chevroni
R’Aharon Yehuda Leib Shteinman Leading With Love p.81/Orchosecha Lamdeini p. 69 (It’s the same letter, one in English and one in Hebrew)
R’ Michel Yehuda Lefkowitz
R’ Yosef Shalom Elyashiv
Shu”t Yabia Omer Hakdama Ose 6
Shu”t Yabia Omer Hakdama Ose 7
Shu”t Yabia Omer Hakdama Ose 9
R’ Moshe Shmuel Shapiro
Shevet Halevi 2:57
R’ Moshe Tzuriel
Iyun B’Lamdut Mavo
November 9, 2014 1:51 am at 1:51 am #1046005Patur Aval AssurParticipantPiskei Riaz Avodah Zarah Perek 1 4:24:
??? ????? ???? ?? ????? ??? ???? ????? ??? ???? ???? ???? ???? ?????
November 23, 2014 4:33 am at 4:33 am #1046006Patur Aval AssurParticipantKovetz Shiurim Kiddushin Ose 84:
??????? ?? ???? ??? ????? ???? ????? ??”? ?? ??? ???? ?????? ?? ???? ?”? ??????? ????? ???? ???? ?’ ??”? ???”? ???? ??”? ?? ????? ??”? ?”? ??????? ??? ???? ???”? ??? ?? ???? ???? ???? ??? ????? ??? ???? ????? ??? ????? ???? ?? ???? ???”? ??? ??????? ??? ??? ???? ????? ????? ????? ?????? ???
November 23, 2014 4:16 pm at 4:16 pm #1046007Patur Aval AssurParticipantHe’aros Chagiga 5b (R’ Elyashiv):
(Before the actual quote, some context is in order. The Gemara says:
??? ???? ???? ???”? ???? ????? ??? ??? ?? ????? ????? ????? ????? ???? ??? ??? ???? ????? ????? ????? ??? ???? ?????? ?? ?????
R’ Elyashiv quotes the Taz who explains that in Birchas Hatorah, ??? refers to Pilpul, Yegia, etc. R’ Elyashiv then explains that the first person whom H’ cries over is one who is ???? ????? ????? ????? ???? meaning that he just learns superficially. He calls it “someone who just learns his daf yomi without iyun and yegia to clarify the emes”. The part that I’m about to quote is explaining the second category.)
??? ?? ??? ???? ?? ????? ????? ????? ????? ??? ???? ????? ???? ????? ????? ?????? ???? ??? ?? ???? ????? ??? ????? ????? ???? ?????? ????? ?? ???? ?????? ?????? ???? ????? ????? ??? ?? ??? ???? ???? ?? ???? ????? ?????? ????? ??? ????? ?? ?? ???? ????
In other words, H’ cries over someone who engages in heavy iyun before he is a baki in the Chadrei Hatorah.
November 24, 2014 1:09 am at 1:09 am #1046008Patur Aval AssurParticipantMivchar Kesavim p. 186-187:
???? ?????? ??????? ???? ?? ?? ????? ?????? ??????? ?????? ????? ??????? ?? ???? ??? ???? ?? ??? ???? ??? ?? ?????? ??? ???? ?????? ?? ???????? ??? ????? ???????? ?????? ?????? ???? ??????? ??????? ????? ???? ????? ?? ???? ???? ?????? ????????? ??????? ??????? ???? ???? ??????? ???? ?????? ??? ???????? ?????? ???? ????? ?? ????? ??? ??? ?????? ????? ?????? ?? ????
??? ????? ?? ??? ????? ??? ???? ??? ???? ?????? ???? ????? ???? ???? ???? ?? ???? ????? ?? ??????? ??? ?????? ??? ?????? ??????? ???????? ??????? ????? ?’ ??????? ????? ??????? ?? ?? ?????? ????? ?? ??? ?????? ???? ??? ???? ?? ????? ??? ????? ?? ???? ?? ???? (????? ?????”? ??????? ?????) ???????? ????? ?? ??? ?????? ???????? ??????? ???? ???? ??? ?????? ?????? ???? ???? ????? ?????
November 24, 2014 3:44 am at 3:44 am #1046009Patur Aval AssurParticipantChashukei Chemed Succah 20a:
????? ???? ????? ????? ???? ?? ?????
????. ????? ?????? ???? ????? ??????? ????? ???? ????? ????? ??? ?? ???? ??”? ?? ??? ???? ?? ?????? ?????? [???? ???? ??????] ?? ???? ??? ?? ?????? ????????
?????. ???? ????? ??????? (?? ? ?”?) ???? ??? ????? ?? ?? ?? ??? ??? ????? ?? ????? ??????? ????? ???? ???? ???? ????? ?? ????? ????? ?????? ??? ?? ???? ?? ??? ???? ?? ??????? ?? ???? ??? ????? ???? ????? ??? ????? ?? ??? ???? ???? ????? ??????? (??? ??) ??”? ??????? ?? ???? ??? ????? ???? ????? ??”? ?? ??? ???? ?????? ?? ???? ?”? ??????? ????? ???? ???? ??”? ???”? ???? ??”? ?? ????? ??”? ??? ???? ??????? ??? ???? ???”? ??? ?? ????? ???? ???? ??? ????? ??? ???? ????? ??? ????? ???? ?? ???? ???”? ??? ?????? ??? ??? ???? ????? ????? ????? ?????? ??? ??”? ?????? ????? ???? ?? ? ?”? ???????? ???? ?????? [???”? ????? ??????]… ???? ??????? ??? ??? ???? ????? ?????? ???? ?? ?? ?????”? ?? ????? ??????? ???? ????? ?? ??? ???? ???? ????? ??? ????? ????? ?????? ???? ????? ????? (???? ??”?) ??? ??? ?? ????? ?? ?????? ????? ?? ??? ?????? ???? ??? ??? ???? ??? ??? ????? ????? ?? ????? ???? ???’ ??”? ????? ????? ?? ?? ???? ????? ??? ??????? ??? ??? ????? ????? ?? ????? ???? ??? ?? ?? ??????? ?????? ????? ????? ?? ??? ???? ????? ?????? ???”? ?????? ??? ??”? ????? (??? ?? ?”?) ????? ????? ?? ???? ???? ?? ?? ??? ???? ?????? ?????? ???? ??? ???? ??????? ???”? (????? ???? ???? ???? ????? ?????? ??? ??) ?????? ?????? (?? ?? ?”?) ???? ????? ???? ???? ??? ???? ???? ??? ???? ???? ???? ?????? ???? ???? ???? ???? ??????? ?? ?????? ???? ?? ???? ???? ??”? ??? ????”? ?????? ????”? ???? ?? ?? ?????? ?????? ??? ?? ?? ????? ??? ????? ???? ?????? ????? ???? ?? ??? ?????? ?????? ?? ????? ??? ????? ?????? ???? ????? ?? ???? ??????? ??? ???? ??? ?????? ?? ??? ?????? ????? ?? ??? ????? ??? ?? ????? ?????? ???? ???? ???? ????? ????? ???? ?? ???? ?????? ????? ??”? ????? ????? ???? ????? ???? ????? ?? ????? ??? ???? ????? ?????? ?? ???? ????? ?????? ????? ????? ??? ????? ????? ?? ?????? ??? ???? ????? ?????? ??? ???? ???? ??? ?????
[ellipsis in original]
November 25, 2014 7:29 pm at 7:29 pm #1046010Patur Aval AssurParticipantUpdated list:
Berachos 8a with Maharsha
Berachos 63b with Rashi
Shabbos 63a with Rashi
Eruvin 48a with Rashi
Kesubos 50a
Sanhedrin 42a with Rashi
Avodah Zara 19a with Rashi
Avodah Zara 19a with Rashi (there are two different gemaras on 19a which I quoted)
Horayos 14a
Shemos Rabba Ki Sisa Parsha 41
Medrash Mishlei 10
Rashi Chulin 81a
Rambam Letter
Piskei Riaz Kiddushin Perek 1 7:8
Piskei Riaz Avodah Zarah Perek 1 4:24
Tzava’ah of Rabbeinu Yaakov Ba’al Haturim
Shu”t Rivash Siman 271
Shu”t Maharik Siman 169
Orchos Tzadikim Shaar Hatorah
Maharal Tiferes Yisroel Perek 56
Maharal Nesivos Olam Nesiv Hatorah Perek 5
Maharal Chiddushei Aggados Sanhedrin
Maharal Gur Aryeh Parshas Vaeschanan
Maharal Derech Chaim Avos Perek Shishi Ose 7
Maharsha Bava Metzia 85a
Shelah Maseches Shavuos 22, 25-35
Vavei Ha’amudim 5:14
Tzava’ah of the Shelah’s son R’ Sheftel Ose 26
Derisha Yoreh Deah 246
Maadnei Yom Tov Hakdama
Kli Yakar Amudei Shesh Amud Hatorah
Shach Yoreh Deah 246:5
Chavos Yair siman 124
Mishnas Chachamim
Yaavetz
Sifsei Yeshanim
Binyan Ariel Parshas Haazinu
Chayei Adam Hakdama Acharona
Chayei Adam Hakdamah Kolleles
Pri Megadim letter printed in the beginning of Orach Chaim
Panim Yafos Genesis 22:1
Even Shlaima 8:2
He’aros ??
Even Shlaima 8:7
Hakdama of the Gra’s sons to Biur Hagra
Darchei Noam
Shulchan Aruch Harav Hilchos Talmud Torah 2:1
Teshuva Me’ahava Pesicha
Aliyos Eliyahu Ose 77
Toldos Adam Perek 3
Chasam Sofer Chullin 7a
Derashos Chasam Sofer
Pele Yoetz Asupa
Pele Yoetz Girsa
Pele Yoetz Yesod
Ohr Yisrael Iggeres 27
Mivchar Kesavim p. 168
Mivchar Kesavim p. 186 footnote 28
Mivchar Kesavim p. 186-187
Hamaor Perek 11
Dor Revii Hakdama
Mishnah Berurah Hakdama
Chofetz Chaim Likutei Amarim perek 4
Chofetz Chaim Likutei Amarim perek 5
Lev Aryeh hakdama
Hachana Deraba Ose 6
Yalkut Hagershoni Chagiga 5a
Eimek Haberacha Ma’amar 4
Shu”t Beis Ridvaz Hakdama (and tzava’a)
Seridei Eish letter
Bihyos Haboker Ose 42
R’ Eliyahu Feinstein
R’ Yehoshua Leib Diskin
R’ Elchanan Wasserman Kovetz Ma’amarim V’Igros
R’ Elchanan Wasserman Kovetz Shiurim Kiddushin Ose 84 (quoting R’ Chaim)
R’ Baruch Ber Leibowitz
R’ Yaakov Kamenetzky
R’ Moshe Feinstein/R’ Yaakov Kamenetzky Haskama to TenuKavodLatorah
Igros Moshe Yoreh Deiah 2:110
Igros Moshe Yoreh Deiah 3:87
Mishnas R’ Aharon Ma’amarim Sha’ar Sheini Siman 10
Shu”t Tzitz Eliezer Hakdama
Shu”t Mishneh Halachos 8:247
Midor Dor Siman 8 Ose 5
Midor Dor Siman 8 Ose 6
R’ Elazar Menacham Man Shach
R’ Berel Soloveitchik
R’ Moshe Chevroni
R’Aharon Yehuda Leib Shteinman Leading With Love p.81/Orchosecha Lamdeini p. 69 (It’s the same letter, one in English and one in Hebrew)
R’ Michel Yehuda Lefkowitz Darchei Chaim chelek 1 Perek 14
R’ Yosef Shalom Elyashiv Artscroll Biography
R’ Yosef Shalom Elyashiv He’aros Chagiga 5b
Shu”t Yabia Omer Hakdama Ose 6
Shu”t Yabia Omer Hakdama Ose 7
Shu”t Yabia Omer Hakdama Ose 9
R’ Moshe Shmuel Shapiro Haskama
Shevet Halevi 2:57
Chashukei Chemed Succah 20a
R’ Moshe Tzuriel ?????? ????? ????? Sha’ar 7 Ose 2
Iyun B’Lamdut Mavo
November 25, 2014 7:31 pm at 7:31 pm #1046011Patur Aval AssurParticipantAccording to my calculations, the above list now contains 100 sources. Maybe I’ll make a siyum. Or not.
November 28, 2014 12:00 am at 12:00 am #1046014Patur Aval AssurParticipantIgros Moshe Orach Chaim 5:33:2:
????? ?????? ?????? ?????? ??? ???? ??????
??”? ??? ?’ ?????? ???”?
?????? ??? ????”?
??? ?? ??? ?? ?????? ?? ???? ?????? ????? ???? ???? ??? ????? ????? ???? ???? ?? ?????? ????? ???? ???? ?????? ?? ????? ????? ??? ????? ?????? ????? ???????? ?? ????? ???? ???, ??? ?? ????? ???? ???? ??? ?????? ????? ??? ???????? ??? ????? ??? ???, ??? ???? ?????? ??? ??”? ????’ ????? ???????? ?? ????? ?? ??? ????? ???? ??”? ?????’ ???? ?? ???? ????? ?? ???”? ?????”? ?????? ?? ????”? ??????? ?? ??? ???? ????? ????? ??????? ??? ????? ????? ???? ???? ?????? ??”? ?????? ???????
????? ????? ?????? ?????
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December 4, 2014 7:41 pm at 7:41 pm #1046015Patur Aval AssurParticipantTa’anis 24a-24b
?? ??? ?????? ??? ???? ??? ??? ????? ???? ??? ??? ?? ????? ?? ??? ??? ?????? ??? ????? ??? ??? ??? ????? ?? ???? ?????
??? ??????? ???????
????? ??? ????? ?? ????? ??????? ??? ???? ?? ?????? ????? ????? ??? ??? ??? ?? ????? ??????? ???? ?????? ??? ?????? ????? ?? ????? ????? ??????? ?????? ??? ????’ ??? ?????? ?? ????? ??? ???? ?? ?????? ??????? ????? ?????? ????? ?? ????? ?? ??? ???? ?? ????? ??? ????? ???? ?? ??????? ???? ???? ????? ????? ??
[Emphasis added to distinguish this Gemara from the parallel Gemaros in Berachos (20a) and Sanhedrin (106b) which don’t have this line, although the intent of thse two passages is just as clear.]
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