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I honestly think the flatbush shomrim would have finished this job in 2 hours. 19 hours and they are “still negotiating”.
What a joke
The only thing the French are good at, is surrendering. (And then having the United States rescue them.)
I don’t think you completely understand.
1) The guy has a couple of (sub)machine guns. Uzi, Kalashnikov, that type of stuff.
2) They want him ALIVE.
3) He doesn’t care whether he lives or not.
That slightly complicates the situation, don’t you think?
@brech: another thing the French are good at is handling captured terrorists with a very loose hand. Much, much looser than the FBI or even the CIA with its waterboarding ever could.
Trust me, those who critize the French right now are completely wrong. You obviously don’t have a clue of the facts.
TCG – The French aren’t as good at capturing terrorists, as they are in releasing terrorists while negotiating with other terrorists.
So what do you propose, tina?
Send in cops, into a room with a guy with a Kalashnikov and Uzi and maybe wearing explosives, and try to arrest him? I guess you’re going to explain that to the families of those cops at their funerals.
Have a sniper take him out from the window? Great, there goes your living, walking and talking source of intelligence which could lead to the capture of 50 other similar guys who are currently ticking time bombs all around the world.
Fundamentalist Muslims talk at interrogations. They’re not like Irish terrorists, for example, who won’t say a word whatever they do to them.
They want this guy ALIVE and with good reason.
The Chassidishe Gatesheader…
“The guy has a couple of (sub)machine guns. Uzi, Kalashnikov, that type of stuff…”
How do YOU know WHAT he has??? And even if he does have those weapons, he is STILL only ONE person.
“He doesn’t care whether he lives or not.” – Not true. He has said he is NOT looking to be a martyr, he DOES want to live.
At some point they will have to tear-gas and storm the place.
What are they waiting for? The sooner the better. This PEREH/adam is playing with them.
By the way, they did a pretty good job finding him, though it was rather easy. He made two giant mistakes:
1) He contacted the first killed soldier via his brothers’ email. Had he had any brains, he would have taken a laptop, gone out to some little village far away and found an unsecured WiFi network and sent it from there using a Hotmail/Gmail account he created right there on the stop. Obviously the laptop used would have been purchased second-hand via eBay using a fake address and would immediately afterwards be disposed off by burning it and throwing it in a river.
2) After the second killings, he went to a garage to have his scooter painted over. How freaking stupid can he be. He should have disposed of it immediately after the first murder, again, by burning it or putting it in some location where nobody would ever find it (for example, bury it in a forest – plenty of remote locations in southern France, it would take a couple of hours but would have been worth the trouble for him).
So basically he was a stupid idiot who made two giant mistakes that B”H led to him getting caught.
Had he had brains and thought of what I just wrote, he would never have been traced.
As for how I came up with this – read some crime books, follow the news, read and learn about some past criminal cases, and such things seem pretty obvious.
Let’s hope they get him alive so they can pick his brains apart. As I wrote before, the French (the DGSE / DCRI) have a reputation for getting people to talk. They can be quite convincing.
The French did a pretty good job. Before the attack on the Jews, they thought they were dealing a right-wing racist. They have the guy captured with a good chance of getting him alive. The French claim they already thwarted an attack planned for today, and capturing him alive would give some indication whether he is a lone “nut job”, or whether the next attack might someplace else (such as Brooklyn).
The French haven’t lost a war for 50 years, and have been very active in the war against Muslim fanatics, not only in Afghanistan, but in many countries in Africa where the USA doesn’t have the resources or skills to operate.
I was under the impression that there are other people in the house with him and this is why they do not want to ‘blow up’ the house..
Well at least they didnt ‘accidentally’ bump him off like the American ‘special forces’ did to bin laden. He’s surrounded and cannot harm anyone. So why rush it and run the risk of not being able to capture him alive and put him on trial. He doesnt deserve the easy way out of blowing his own brains out at his own choosing.
Please let’s all refrain from rushing to judgement.
He is still a suspect and innocent untill proven guilty. We would want the same
@AOM – the BBC wrote that this is what police said:
“Officials say he is heavily armed with a Kalashnikov high-velocity rifle, a mini-Uzi 9mm machine pistol, several handguns and possibly grenades.”
I wonder whether the Flatbush Shomrim usually go in to catch such people – tina?
Anyway, it will be over soon.
Edit: it probably already is over. Knowing the French *are* indeed quite competent, the entire raid shouldn’t have taken more than 15 seconds from the moment the flashbangs went off… and that would be a lot.
Please let’s all refrain from rushing to judgement.
He is still a suspect and innocent untill proven guilty. We would want the same
I hold that is americanishe narishkeit.
He is as guilty as he looks, until he looks more or less guilty.
Edit: it probably already is over. Knowing the French *are* indeed quite competent, the entire raid shouldn’t have taken more than 15 seconds from the moment the flashbangs went off… and that would be a lot.
An elderly american man visits Paris. When his flight lands in De gaule airport, he goes to the immigration desk, and is asked for his passport.
American: I didn’t bring my passport; I didn’t know I needed it.
Clerk: But you always need a passport to enter France.
American: I have never needed one before.
Clerk: No, to enter France you always need a passport.
American: But I have entered France before without a passport.
Clerk: When was that.
American: June 6, 1944.
Lauren is right, however, in this case there is a pretty clear indication this is the right guy. But the law is the law and the law should apply equally to all, and indeed as you say, he cannot be considered guilty until having been convicted in court.
If we would go and randomly execute people before giving them an organized trial with evidence and allowing them a defense, the world would become a different place, and not for the better.
TCG – You better hope the next one isn’t reading your post.
Is the Chassidishe Gatesheader leaving an instruction manual for the next terrorist?
As I wrote: “As for how I came up with this – read some crime books, follow the news, read and learn about some past criminal cases, and such things seem pretty obvious.”
This guy may have been a fool. Let’s hope the next one is just as foolish. If you want to understand this a little better, watch (oy vey) some crime series (factual documentaries, not fictional) about how actual criminal cases are investigated and resolved, or get some books.
Personally I always enjoyed Tom Clancy’s political thrillers (the Jack Ryan series); I started reading those, in English, when I was about 14 years old.
So basically he was a stupid idiot who made two giant mistakes that B”H led to him getting caught.
Basically equally as stupid as the terrorist who assassinated Ari Halberstam HY’D & then went to the the car rental company asking for a refund saying the rented car was damaged, and he wanted his deposit refunded.
@147 – Yep, about the same. Best are still the ones who won a Darwin Award for being blown up by their own car bomb in the middle of a highway since they thought the bomb would explode at 16:30 (Palestinian time), but actually it exploded at 16:30 (Israeli time). That was during the week(s) when Israel and the PA have different times since they don’t switch to/from DST on the same date.
The ones we should really be afraid of are the smart ones. It wouldn’t have been all that difficult to do what the Toulouse gunman did and get away with it, had he had the brains for it. We’re just lucky here, as usual.
TCG – Tina is right. The incompetence reminds me of Mumbai/Bombay anti-terrorists forces – clowns.
Welcome to the 21 Century – E/o should have armored vehicles like LA & Detroit have. LA’s CAT can destroy an apt. building. Then they could have fired tear gas & tranquilizers to capture him alive.
As far as the Death Penalty, even Israel doesn’t have it.
And the US hardly uses it. You can thank the liberal mentality for this one.
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