January 28, 2015 8:30 pm at 8:30 pm #614759
If/when any frum politicians are accused and then possibly proven guilty of corruption, isnt it the worst form of Chilul Hashem, outweighing any gains from electing frum politicians?
Are any benefits worth so public a black-eye for frum people, and delectable food for Anti-Semites with material/proof so they can say- “See, those Jews, especially the religious ones, are all dishonest! You cant trust any of them!”
We all know power corrupts. Lifnei Iver lo Sitein Michshol.January 29, 2015 12:18 am at 12:18 am #1055559👑RebYidd23Participant
Do you want them to say “Look, Jews are so un-American they don’t even have any politicians”?January 29, 2015 3:31 am at 3:31 am #1055560yehudayonaParticipant
It would even worse if frum politicians were honest. “Look, Jews are so un-American that their politicians are honest.”January 29, 2015 4:06 am at 4:06 am #1055561
“It would even worse if frum politicians were honest. “Look, Jews are so un-American that their politicians are honest.”
At least Jews being caught at crime will debunk the myth that Jews are too smart to engage in anything they might get caught at, and have to pay the consequences! Nebach, way too many Jews are being caught doing all kinds of Shmutz!January 29, 2015 4:23 am at 4:23 am #1055562
When it comes to frum politicians, it boils down to one question: does he listen to da’as Torah. If he does, he won’t get caught involved in a scandal, and if he doesn’t, what’s the advantage of a frum politician?January 29, 2015 5:25 am at 5:25 am #1055563
“When it comes to frum politicians, it boils down to one question: does he listen to da’as Torah. If he does, he won’t get caught involved in a scandal, and if he doesn’t, what’s the advantage of a frum politician?”
1. Id agree if Id know that “Daas Torah” that the politician listens to, is aware of everything the politician does behind closed doors. Unfortunately “Daas Torah” these days are not on that Madraiga.
2. Often the greatest of “Daas Torah” support candidates who have goals opposing Torah and Halacha and warns not to vote for those who share our goals, and gives blessings for victory to candidates with totally opposing goals. Historically, the frummest communities of NYC vote in candidates with totally opposing views, on very important issues.January 29, 2015 8:15 am at 8:15 am #1055564BarryLS1Participant
One of the issues with “Daas Torah,” is that people often give partial information when seeking it.
To really be success in politics, you have to sell your soul to a large degree. You have to be very skilled to minimize that problem, yet it’s hard to get anywhere in politics if you don’t go along with the wishes of your party’s leadership.
I would prefer a like minded Goy to a Frum Jew anytime.January 29, 2015 11:54 am at 11:54 am #1055565TheGoqParticipant
Most people don’t despise Silver because he is Jewish they despise him because he is corrupt, we should be held to a higher standard and when we don;t live up we should be the ones ashamed, in some circles breaking the law is considered no big deal as long as it benefits the community this is certainly a Chilul Hashem.January 29, 2015 4:19 pm at 4:19 pm #1055566
You’re right, I didn’t mean a politician who professes to listen to daas Torah, i mean an ehrliche yid who actually does. Anyone who’s every move is based on the gedolim will not go wrong. Of course, there are plenty who claim to be supported by gedolim, but have no plans of actually listening to them. I was talking about someone who’s sincere only wish use to represent daas Torah in the government. I would give examples, but any example would get people upset and detract from the point. In the recent elections, someone came over to a Rosh Yeshiva and told him that a certain politician was waiting outside for a brochah. The Rosh Yeshiva asked “With a camera?” That kind of politician I’m not talking about, and just because someone claims to be endorsed, and even has a picture, doesn’t mean he is.January 29, 2015 5:54 pm at 5:54 pm #1055567
” I didn’t mean a politician who professes to listen to daas Torah, i mean an ehrliche yid who actually does”.
As stated here:
“To really be success in politics, you have to sell your soul to a large degree. You have to be very skilled to minimize that problem, yet it’s hard to get anywhere in politics if you don’t go along with the wishes of your party’s leadership.”
Once elected you have to tow the party line or you dont survive in politics.
Anyone elected in the big cities with a large frum population, is generally a Democrat, or a pareve Republican, with a debt to pay and a need to side with and support policies against the Torah, OR hes out 123. Its lose/lose. Either the Torah loses, or the candidate loses.January 29, 2015 6:43 pm at 6:43 pm #1055568zahavasdadParticipant
There are more Non Frum population than Frum and even in Lakewood I think its only abouyt 50/50 and thats one of the highest.January 29, 2015 6:53 pm at 6:53 pm #1055569zahavasdadParticipant
If you are an elected official you are sworn to uphold the US constitution and the State constitutione even if they are diametrically opposed to the torah failure to do so is grounds for removal.
While toievah marriage is not in the US or NY State constituion, Legalized Abortion IS in the NY state constituion and you are legally obligated to uphold that law not matter what any one else says (If you disagree, then dont run for office)January 29, 2015 7:56 pm at 7:56 pm #1055570Rema711Member
zahavasdad LW is a Makom Torah, it only has frum yidden thereJanuary 30, 2015 1:13 am at 1:13 am #1055571
I’m happy I’m not a Gadol who had to make decisions about such things.
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