June 22, 2012 12:12 am at 12:12 am #603860sweetie613Member
what do you think of a frum girl becoming a doctor?June 22, 2012 12:21 am at 12:21 am #880881yitayningwutParticipant
kol hakavodJune 22, 2012 12:25 am at 12:25 am #880882Medium Size ShadchanMember
Its a tremendous Kiddush Hashem, but
If shed rather get married after graduation, and focus less on dating and more on her studies, she will very likely become an older single after she graduates. Its unbelievable how many single frum female doctors and dentists there are.
Those who go to school while being married, no doubt have a hard time balancing school, marriage, pregnancies, children.June 22, 2012 12:26 am at 12:26 am #880883ChanieEParticipant
Go for it! As a frum woman, I appreciate having frum women doctors.June 22, 2012 12:26 am at 12:26 am #880884shlishiMember
The same thing I think of a frum girl becoming a firefighter.June 22, 2012 12:31 am at 12:31 am #880885more_2Member
Absolutely fine. My wife is in medical school now going for a degree in the medical field.. if she’s single she might want to wait till she’s married to persue a degree of this nature depending on her background…June 22, 2012 12:35 am at 12:35 am #880886WolfishMusingsParticipant
what do you think of a frum girl becoming a doctor?
I think that if she does it, she should excel at her studies and become proficient.
The WolfJune 22, 2012 2:20 am at 2:20 am #880887
Go for it!! I was pre med in college and eventually gave it up..after 3 long years and switched majors. It is such an amazing thing to be a physician, but I knew for me I wanted to have kids young, really raise them and not rely on nanny/sitters, and not spend the first few years of marriage with my nose in the books. If it is for you and you think you can handle the work load, and all that being a frum wife and mother entails, I say go for it!!June 22, 2012 2:38 am at 2:38 am #880888147Participant
Absolutely! They should also be on Hatzolo. When a woman in labor calls Hatzolo, and they have to assist in a delivery, no man belongs on such a call. & specialty fields of women’s diseases & issues, should most preferentially be dealt with, by a woman Dr.
Having a Hassidic guy assist a woman in a delivery, is worst than an unfiltered computer, to say the least, especially when there are qualified women personnel around.June 22, 2012 2:56 am at 2:56 am #880889
147 – That was quick -here today -gone tomorrow. Or should I say here for a minute -gone the next. It came back. Must have gone for editing.June 22, 2012 3:05 am at 3:05 am #880890
MorahRach -“Go for it!! I was pre med in college and eventually gave it up..after 3 long years and switched majors.”
You make it sound like you went 3 years Med school and gave it up. Pre-med is just science oriented courses -almost nothing to do with medicine. I know s/o who finished med school and decided not to go to a residency. In other words he gave up medicine.
I don’t shed any tears on wannabes. I do shed tears on all those who are out there and are totally incompetent.June 22, 2012 3:21 am at 3:21 am #880891
147 -“& specialty fields of women’s diseases & issues, should most preferentially be dealt with, by a woman Dr.”
Now why did you say this? Do you mean Frum men should Not be OB’s?
Or do you mean all Ob/gyn’s should be female? If the latter I can tell you with my kids -the coldest Docs were the women. One had kids -the other didn’t. The one with the kids was the worse – no bedside manner. The males were much more pleasant to deal with.
From my professional experience I’d say was the same as my parenting experience. The top Ob/gyn’s that I’ve come across were all male.June 22, 2012 3:40 am at 3:40 am #880892
Health- good thing I didn’t ask you to shed any years for me then. Also calling me a wannabe makes you sound like a .. Well jerk. I don’t attempt to compare myself to someone in the
Medical field. What my point was, is that I really wanted to go into medicine, I love science and I excelled in it, but after having that course in mind for 3 years I decided it was not for me. I was just sharing a personal experience. Why did you have to try and make me feel foolish? Atleast I went to college and have an education unlike many others.
No need to try and put me down.
Anyway. I think it’s a really great think when a frum woman is a physician. My pediatrician for many years was a modern orthodox woman, I really likes her I felt like she understood me more than any other doctor I had ever seen. Good luck.June 22, 2012 4:05 am at 4:05 am #880893
MorahRach -“Also calling me a wannabe makes you sound like a .. Well jerk. I don’t attempt to compare myself to someone in the
Medical field. Why did you have to try and make me feel foolish? No need to try and put me down.”
Maybe you posted this because it’s late at night.
What I’m going to say next probably belongs in the topic under Gender Intellect.
Let’s see my post started out talking to you -I’ll quote:
“You make it sound like you went 3 years Med school and gave it up. Pre-med is just science oriented courses -almost nothing to do with medicine.”
Upto here had to do with you -then I continued on a tangent.
“I know s/o who finished med school and decided not to go to a residency. In other words he gave up medicine.
I don’t shed any tears on wannabes. I do shed tears on all those who are out there and are totally incompetent.”
The wannabe part was refering to what I just posted. I was or was Not including you in that part. In other words, I was making a general comment related to what I just wrote.
Maybe you need to sleep on this. G-Nite.June 22, 2012 4:45 am at 4:45 am #880894SaysMeMember
please can this argument be dropped, or ended on a peasceful note? either?? thanks in advance!June 22, 2012 5:58 am at 5:58 am #880895yitayningwutParticipant
Health – What the heck is your problem??!! Did MorahRach do something to hurt you?! That was so mean the way you just treated her! Stop being defensive, man up and apologize!June 22, 2012 8:35 am at 8:35 am #880896TheGoqParticipant
+1 saysmeJune 22, 2012 10:00 am at 10:00 am #880897
You don’t deserve a response.. So I won’t give one!June 22, 2012 12:58 pm at 12:58 pm #880898kfbParticipant
Health you’re do smart when you quote what people say and dissect it. Where’d you learn that from? I was hat browsing the coffee room and when I saw your attack on morahrach I became disgusted. This is what goes on between frum yidden?? Why do you even post here, it’s a frum blog? Seriously please think about what youre going to say before you type it on the keyboard. It’s very immature, grow up!June 22, 2012 12:58 pm at 12:58 pm #880899interjectionParticipant
“Now why did you say this? Do you mean Frum men should Not be OB’s?
Or do you mean all Ob/gyn’s should be female?…..The top Ob/gyn’s that I’ve come across were all male.”
It’s nice to hear that a man approves of male Ob/gynos. I will not state my opinion on what I think of men who choose to go into the field. Suffice it to say that as a woman, I respectfully disagree.June 22, 2012 1:59 pm at 1:59 pm #880900mommamia22Participant
Are you trying to be callous?
3 years of pre-med science isn’t fluff. It’s hard courses that require a lot of work. You know that being in the medical field. Maybe it isn’t medical school, but “it ain’t no walk in the park”.June 22, 2012 2:11 pm at 2:11 pm #880901yiddishemishpachaMember
I am a woman and would prefer a male ob-gyn even though i have used women (frum too) before and most of them have been QUITE insensitive. That is not to say that there are not frum women or any women ob’s that ARE sensitive or males that are utterly horrible. Generally speaking, MOST (not all) women will agree that men are not only more competent in this area but more sensitive in many cases.
To suggest that men that go into this field have some sinister or perverted motivations is completely ridiculuos and immature. This field is about bringing BABIES into the world, preserving women’s health, treating various ailments… I don’t understand such ignorance masquerading as tznius or whatever. If you want to use a woman ob-gyn … ok. But an ob-gyn that is a male is not a man, but a PHYSICIAN and is trained to view things through the prism of his training, etc.. There are boundaries and most normal people can understand the difference. Of course, there are cases that i won’t elaborate upon where a woman would be further traumatized by a male doctor… not because of the doctor, but because of the woman and her particular experience.June 22, 2012 2:22 pm at 2:22 pm #880902uneeqMember
interjection: 99% of people disagree with you. After browsing the subject on websites like Imamother, the consensus is that men doctors in general are not only better doctors, but also gentler, more sensitive. Do some research to hear women’s opinions, and you’ll see that basically what I (and Health) say is correct.June 22, 2012 2:45 pm at 2:45 pm #880903wanderingchanaParticipant
Health: “I can tell you with my kids -the coldest Docs were the women.” – you can’t even acknowledge it was your wife the docs were cold to. It’s a pity you’re so biased against women.
I had an amazing female OB/GYN with my first birth. I had a patronizing, condescending male OB/GYN with my second. I agree with interjection – I don’t know why men go into this field.June 22, 2012 3:03 pm at 3:03 pm #880904Abe CohenParticipant
All the women I know INSIST upon a male ob/gyn.June 22, 2012 3:13 pm at 3:13 pm #880905
I just had a baby a few weeks ago bH, and I had a male ob and I love him!!! He was the only doctor I saw throughout my pregnancy and he was so kind and patient, at first I was nervous because he was a man, and he was really amazing. When I went into labor he was not on call and I had a woman deliver me.. Who was fantastic! BH no complaints about either one, I was a little upset he was not there but I could not have asked for a better experience. So I think it depends on the person, not necessarily if it is a man or woman.June 22, 2012 3:34 pm at 3:34 pm #880908
kfb -“Health you’re do smart when you quote what people say and dissect it. Where’d you learn that from? I was hat browsing the coffee room and when I saw your attack on morahrach I became disgusted. This is what goes on between frum yidden?? Why do you even post here, it’s a frum blog? Seriously please think about what youre going to say before you type it on the keyboard. It’s very immature, grow up!”
Oh, I do think. Perhaps some posters should not think everything that is posted is a insult to them. To me that is immature.June 22, 2012 3:41 pm at 3:41 pm #880909
Are you trying to be callous?”
Not at all.
“3 years of pre-med science isn’t fluff. It’s hard courses that require a lot of work. You know that being in the medical field. Maybe it isn’t medical school, but “it ain’t no walk in the park”.”
True science courses aren’t easy. But my point was that Pre-med is Not medical school and you really aren’t learning any medicine.June 22, 2012 3:58 pm at 3:58 pm #880910
wanderingchana -“I had an amazing female OB/GYN with my first birth. I had a patronizing, condescending male OB/GYN with my second. I agree with interjection – I don’t know why men go into this field.”
interjection -“It’s nice to hear that a man approves of male Ob/gynos. I will not state my opinion on what I think of men who choose to go into the field. Suffice it to say that as a woman, I respectfully disagree.”
Yes, there are exceptions to every rule. I never said it’s impossible to find a good, competent female Ob/gyn.
I was giving my perspective from both angles as a father and as a professional.
What I don’t understand is your perception of men who go into the field? The guy must me a pervert acc. to your way of thinking. We must not live in a free society where anyone in the world can get anything they want with the type of a few keystrokes.
I can understand you being uncomfortable with a man provider, but that doesn’t mean the guy is a perv. It’s your projection.
There are many reasons males want to become Ob/gyn’s. Two off the top of my head are money -they make a nice living. Also, at least by OB, it’s basically the only area in medicine where providers are involved with bringing life into this world instead of preventing death.June 22, 2012 4:02 pm at 4:02 pm #880911simcha613Participant
I think men need to ask their LOR before deciding to become an OBGYN. Some of the things that a male OBGYN would have to do would be completely assur for the average male, more so than any other medical field. A male who wants to go into that field probably has to ask a halachic shaila if his particular situation warrants going into that field. Obviously, an OBGYN himself is not violating those issurim, but there would probably have to be a good reason to put oneself in that situation.June 22, 2012 5:29 pm at 5:29 pm #880912interjectionParticipant
“I don’t understand such ignorance masquerading as tznius or whatever.”
Absolutely nothing to do with Tzniut. I had a bad experience with a male ob/gyno. Traumatizing actually. I am absolutely sure that he’s the exception and I know that I should not generalize based on my experience, but it has made me skeptical of all men in that feild.June 22, 2012 5:37 pm at 5:37 pm #880913zahavasdadParticipant
My Pedatriation is a Frum Female who treats her patients almost as well as her own kids. I did have a frum male Pediatriation originally and he was not as caring.
The only point of this i, There are caring Male Doctors and Caring Female doctors and there are Jaded Male Doctors and Jaded female doctors
Gender does not make you a good or bad doctorJune 22, 2012 5:43 pm at 5:43 pm #880914WolfishMusingsParticipant
Of course, the question of whether or not women doctors tend to be cold and insensitive (or not) really has no bearing on the question of whether women *should* become doctors.
The WolfJune 22, 2012 5:57 pm at 5:57 pm #880915
As a woman who prefers female docs, but can rarely find any good ones in my neighborhood, I applaud ALL women who go into this very challenging field. I agree about the Hatzolah remark, BTW. Women in labor should have the option of a female medic with them, if that’s what they want. Trouble is, how many women are willing to drop everything (including their families) to go out on a call? (No, it’s not the same thing for the guys).June 22, 2012 6:32 pm at 6:32 pm #880916M.O. ChossidMember
I worked for a Jewish female doctor. And many frum ladies had gone to her for treatment. Some would rather have a woman as their doctor. And there are many WOMEN in this field these days, so why not? Especially, if her husband is sitting in kollel.
Kol HaKavod.June 25, 2012 6:01 am at 6:01 am #880917
oomis -“I agree about the Hatzolah remark, BTW. Women in labor should have the option of a female medic with them, if that’s what they want.”
They can have this option if “Ezras Noshim” (R. Freier’s org.) gets off the ground. Hatzolah will not take females, no matter how many people think they should. You can mutter that they are wrong all you want, but that won’t change their position.June 25, 2012 3:08 pm at 3:08 pm #880918
I have had cold women docs and amazing women docs. Problem is that the type personality needed for a woman to succeed in the medical field, often attracts women who are viewed as having negative traits (bossy, ambitious, cold, clinical, uncaring, too business-like, etc). When men have those traits, they are “efficient” and knwopledgeable. When women do, they are cold and unfeeling.June 25, 2012 8:46 pm at 8:46 pm #880919
OOmis -“When women do, they are cold and unfeeling.”
Practice what you preach. If you believe that these women are just
“efficient” and “knowledgeable”, then why did you write -“I have had cold women docs”?!?!?!?June 25, 2012 9:18 pm at 9:18 pm #880920thecuriousoneMember
Health – no wonder you’re not a doctor. Maybe you should read oomis’s post again, and then speak up.June 25, 2012 9:39 pm at 9:39 pm #880921
Health, you may have misunderstood the intent of my post. I HAVE had cold female docs AND really warm and nurturing ones as well. I merely pointed out that when certain types of women are in the medical field, their demeanor is often perceived as “cold”, when the same personality in a man would be overlooked as being his professionalism, That does not mean it is ok for doctors of either gender to be unfeeling when treating a HUMAN BEING, not a set of symptoms on a clinical chart.June 27, 2012 4:48 am at 4:48 am #880924happym19Member
sweetie613 didnt you just ask about a frum women becoming a doctor not a frum women becoming an obgyn. I personally think it is a great thing! I am planning on going into the medical field myself. I think as long as you can handle it, because it is definitly hectic and really hard and time consuming it can also be a great thing!kol hakavod! 🙂
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